Neverside

For anyone who is too lazy to download and open the .psd:

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8762/phpmonkey2ju6.jpg

And by the way, his name is Jerome not Jeremie.

Last edited by ConceptualMind, August 17th, 2006 10:50 AM (Edited 1 times)

Easily fixed. Wow...taking a look at that thing on the internet and on a CRT instead of a laptop screen....that sucks

I'll make another one. Jerome Can I redesign your entire site? I made that to mix with the current style but I would like to make you a brand new site...is that coo?

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Last edited by kidd175, August 17th, 2006 10:53 AM (Edited 1 times)

Originally posted by kidd175:

Back on topic...How long would it take to port NS over to vB? And what is "Hooks"? I don't follow Jelsoft software at all so...I'll take a look at that and get lost in the jargon.

Locke, I wuv ewe!

No telling with Jeremie, I'm sure if a developer was hired it would take a couple weeks or so. I can't speak in certainties though.

Hooks is basically a term Jelsoft uses for their 'plugin' system. Basically, it's a module system that allows developers to extend/enhance vB without modifying the core files (like we had to do in vB2 and vB3 prior to 3.5). This way, the plugins merely interface with vBulletin rather than alter how vBulletin functions. So when an update or bugfix is released, Dave can apply it without breaking or causing issues like we had previously.

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Since I'm busy working on Neverside's transition, and learning about seo, vb, design, community admin ideas, and all kinds of other great stuff I intend on applying to improving this site, I'm really not going to respond to all this with a lengthy post (I hope). I'm going to try to be brief (haha good luck), and then not let this mess hamper me from doing my best to improve Neverside.

One thing I want to address are the accusations ConceptualMind has made about me and money.

Originally posted by ConceptualMind:

According to another forum, Dave earns $1,000-$4,999/mo from his network of websites. Granted, the majority isn't from Neverside. He also states:

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forgot to mention... I didn't spend anything on design or coding, since my staff and I, plus members of the forum contributed to designing, programming, etc.

Isn't it funny how someone can proudly proclaim they make four figures a month online yet Neverside needs to raise money for community prizes and other bullshit? I also love how someone can simply use people for money. If money was involved in development, you would actually be able to see progress.

The post he is referring to is this: http://www.earnersforum.com/showpost.php?p=34650&postcount=42
Please read it in full to see it in context.
Also you should read the original post of the thread: What it costs to start up a forum.
My comment was not bragging or saying in any disrespectful or ungrateful way about the fact that I hadn't spent money on design and coding - it was stating a fact, in response to the topic of the discussion - I was saying that the talents and hard, freely given efforts of the many individuals who have put their time and skill into the site made it what it is, without us needing to outsource and pay others to do it for us. I also wasn't referring only to Neverside, but to the full history of TutorialForums, which was supported by the efforts of Rob, Brian, Akash, myself, and so many others. We (the community) didn't spend money on it because we did it ourselves. I think if you haven't adopted the mindset of that forum (EarnersForum) it would be easy to misunderstand my post, so I apologize for the confusion - EF is about discussing monitizing websites, so that is the perspective we are looking at while posting there - that's just what that forum is for.

Everyone on staff is aware that pay in the form of money was not promised to those who volunteered to help build TF and Neverside - they did it because they wanted to build something creative and excellent for the community they are a part of, and this was one particular platform to do that on. I would love to be able to pay in some tangible way everyone who's had a hand in it - but for the moment I can't. You can see in that same post that I mentioned I have spent in excess of $10,000 on hosting and other costs in order to keep TF/NS online through these years. I've also turned down offers of over $25,000 to sell the forum. Also note the quote, again in that same post: "I'll also begin spending a lot of money on contests/giveaways in the near future." (which was in reference of course to NS). I am extremely and boundlessly grateful to the people who put their time and effort into TF and the NS development project that followed - and anyone who was present in our meetings can surely attest to my publicly stated gratitude and thanks - I did not necessarily always understand the technical issues on the table, but was grateful for those who did, and did say so.

You mention my "$1000-4999/mo" badge on EarnersForum. That number does NOT mean only profits made from website advertising - it also includes web design clients, IT consultation, etc - and does not add up to nearly the top end of that figure. Up until this month right now (August), profit from advertising alone would not have qualified me for that badge - and due to Google's delayed payments, I haven't even received a penny of it yet. Before that, Neverside made at most $0.10 - $1 per day (and still does), and AC made around $4-500/mo through a combination of direct advertiser relationships and Google. Subtract $250/mo for hosting from that (and at one point before dedicated servers/bandwidth were cheaper, $350/mo... and right now I'm actually paying for 2 servers for a total of $350/mo, due to not knowing that NS couldn't run yet on the new server in its current state). AC uses very little CPU/disk on the server since it is static HTML - it only needs bandwidth.... TF/NS has been the reason I've spent tons on highend servers, since it needs the power. Through mountains of research, testing, etc, I've learned now how to do better with AdSense, and "that" brings me to the level to receive that badge from EarnersForum (and again, this is the first month I've done well with it). I don't even care about the badge - it just gets me into the private forums to talk about ideas with other people making a similar income.... I probably should have opted for the anonymous option. And as I said, I will be investing money into NS - contests, giveaways, and more - and if and when I personally get to a financial position (via NS or otherwise) where I can reward staff, then I intend to do so. My "ventures" on the web are indeed a business that I hope to make at least a modest living off of at some point, and I don't see a problem with that - if I'm going to spend all my time doing this instead of some steady job with a salary, then I need to make an income with it - or I'll need to put my time into that job so I can have a life and a family. I've already run into this issue - I had a fulltime job this past year, and NS and AC suffered for it. I believe that if I put my full weight behind this instead of just a bit on the side, then it has the potential to both improve the site/community and sustain me and my family financially - and if it does fantastically, probably some staff's family too haha! The people I talk to most closely online know my heart on this issue, and trust me it is nothing close to what you have presented. I'm no where near rich - I drive a truck, live in a bedroom in my parent's house in Southern California, and am in debt on my college and truck loan. I work very hard and make an low/average level income.

You brought up the Neverside Swag thread James posted. That was not my idea, though I'm not against it, and to my knowledge we haven't received any profit from that (unless James or Scott has some $ and wants to send it over hehe).

Anyhow, as I feared, I've already spent a lot longer on this response than I had hoped. I just wanted to make sure I cleared up some issues, and make sure you guys understand where I'm coming from. I know things haven't gone well in the past. I know I'm not a programmer and can't keep up with the technicalities of NeverAPI's development. I know I wasn't around much while I was in school fulltime, or while I was getting slammed in my fulltime job right after school. That's in the past - and right now, I'm doing anything and everything I can to move on to the future.

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Originally posted by Rad:

Weaver?

TM Symbol FTW lolz,

Originally posted by kidd175:

Radley, what is going to seperate NS from other comms is the atmosphere we create around it and the presence we develop. Just because 99.3% of the internets use vBB doesn't mean one damn thing except that it is a trusted forum machine with the necessary features to create a community around. If we really want to develop NS apart from the other comms, we design exceptional skins and our very own hacks and plugins that make the site better. I know I already have a few designs on paper for Neverside once it goes to vBB and I hope others will follow suit.

Also, ONCE vBB NS is released, I agree with you 100% that the NeverAPI (with Roach's permission and Pelletier's of course) will go public so that more people can study it and see how it is superior to vBB in terms of speed. Once that happens, maybe it can be bundled and sold like vBB?

Key word here, ONCE, not IF.

This excites me.

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Oh and passion is what should drive people to make this community great, not some money hungry corporate sellouts.

You all talk about php ruby, and a bunch of different languages here that make the internet tick and how you all know these things, but the fact of the matter is, I know hardly any of it. And as much as I want to help because I love this community, I feel like I cannot do much except offer my artistic capability with photoshop or being in at least 1 art class each year all throughout my regular school, then at least 2 art classes during highschool years. All I know dev side is XHTML and CSS and a bit of php/mysql and a tiny amount of flash programming/java... That's about it. So, I'm stuck being passionate about something I know nothing of in the background. Well, I think it's time for change.

Looks like I'll be cracking open a few books here soon and considering I'm not schooling this fall, I think it's a wise choice on my part as it will help me focus on what really interests me, then hopefully, I can be of some further assistance in the future. I've been here since the good ole days of TF and I'll be damned if this doesn't turn out as the best community in the universe.

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