Neverside

You need to be either warned or temp banned. You've been trolling posts saying nothing but that. Seriously, either contribute to discussions or stay out of them.

DAMN!

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Originally posted by kidd175:

You need to be either warned or temp banned. You've been trolling posts saying nothing but that. Seriously, either contribute to discussions or stay out of them.

DAMN!

Sorry, your panties must be up in a bunch. My post is 100% self explanatory. I can't help you if common sense kicks your ***.

However, since I'm such a kind person I'm going to take a few minutes out of my extremely busy schedule to reply to your foolish statement. Let's take this point-by-point.

Originally posted by kidd175:

Radley, what is going to seperate NS from other comms is the atmosphere we create around it and the presence we develop.

The dictionary defines "atmosphere" as:
a particular environment or surrounding influence; "there was an atmosphere of excitement"

Now, let's back up a bit and go back to 2005 when Neverside was somewhat flourishing. Shawn did a good job of actively participating in the community and promoting user interaction. At the time, Neversidian had just launched and I was involved in the admin-mentorship program. As part of a 'contest,' I wrote an application on why I should be an administrator of Neverside and what type of things I would do to improve the site. After being an administrator for over four weeks and earning a permanent spot on the staff team, I witnessed many things first hand that you wouldn't have a fucking clue about.

Let's get this straight. There's no fucking sense of community and there's nothing to fucking develop. I'll be honest, I had a hard time managing the staff -- Shawn was right. Half the time I would be asking other staff members where the hell people ran off to. The developers do this during their free time. There's no pay involved and no rewards either. How can you motivate developers to create a full-fledged site when they don't get any person gain or recognition? (Let's not mention the "community" that constantly flames about how shitty the development team is). You're probably thinking, "Recognition? What the **** is he talking about?" I'm willing to bet $25 via PayPal that Dave (AbsoluteCross) couldn't point out more than 5 former staff members and more than 5 designers/developers. How's THAT for community?

And if this REALLY is a community with a great atmosphere, why the **** aren't any of the former staff members recognized? Their usergroup was deleted. Individuals, such as Simon, devoted their time to TF/NS for years. What did they get in return? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. If I remember right, Dave never thanked any of his designers and developers that did work for him so he could earn a profit.

According to another forum, Dave earns $1,000-$4,999/mo from his network of websites. Granted, the majority isn't from Neverside. He also states:

Quote:

forgot to mention... I didn't spend anything on design or coding, since my staff and I, plus members of the forum contributed to designing, programming, etc.

Isn't it funny how someone can proudly proclaim they make four figures a month online yet Neverside needs to raise money for community prizes and other bullshit? I also love how someone can simply use people for money. If money was involved in development, you would actually be able to see progress.

This post wasn't intended to rip on Dave since there are other staff members at fault, too. Neverside is basically a dictatorship nowadays. There are only 3 active moderators who tend to go on a power trip locking every fucking thread for no damn reason. Let's not mention names, but one person in particular is a fucking hypocrite -- I'm sure he knows who I'm talking about. (Samurai_Zero) Stephen has great intentions of managing the staff, however, there's nothing to manage. Of all the staff members, he's probably the person I respect the most, though I don't always show it. If Dave was active during the past year I'm sure I'd have much more respect for him as well. However, he seems like a money mongering whore that takes his staff for granted.

Onto part two:

Originally posted by kidd175:

Just because 99.3% of the internets use vBB doesn't mean one damn thing except that it is a trusted forum machine with the necessary features to create a community around. If we really want to develop NS apart from the other comms, we design exceptional skins and our very own hacks and plugins that make the site better. I know I already have a few designs on paper for Neverside once it goes to vBB and I hope others will follow suit.

Stop kidding yourself, Kidd. (LAWL PUN!!1!) I fucking hate seeing you talking down to others and proclaiming you'll volunteer and do this **** or that ****. I don't think I can recall you ever contributing to the community? Ironically, you're giving me a warning when I've done much more for Neverside than you ever will. Instead of TELLING us you're going to do ****, why don't you actually START working on something. Welcome to 1999, buddy. An "exceptional design" does not equal a "community." There's so much you have to learn, little ninja. And I'd like for you to define "better." What plugins and hacks can instantly make a community "better"? If you're going to modify a site, the modifications should be tailored to the community and, hopefully, enhance the user experience. You remind me of one of those nub phpBB forum admins that fucking throws every damn plugin they find on their board: arcade, points, forum RPGs, etc. That **** is annoying as **** and doesn't make a better community. Please be more descriptive if you're going to contribute, asshat.

Our next point:

Originally posted by kidd175:

Also, once vBB NS is released, I agree with you 100% that the NeverAPI (with Roach's permission and Pelletier's of course) will go public so that more people can study it and see how it is superior to vBB in terms of speed. Once that happens, maybe it can be bundled and sold like vBB?

I highly doubt NS API will be superior to vB. vBulletin has some excellent developers that have been working on their applications for YEARS and has features NS API doesn't. Let's face it, NS API is not practical for commerical use.

Also, I'm not sure if you're aware of this but as per Shawn's agreement, if NS API were to be bundled and sold I believe all the developers would be required to agree to sell it commerically and each developer would receive a cut. Seeing as how the developers haven't received any form of payment up until now (excluding hosting, although I'm not sure whether or not Dave is still keeping that tradition), I don't see that happening in the future.

In conclusion to this horrendously long post, I would like to say:

kidd175: Please refer to my signature. And here's a bandaid because I'm pretty sure I just ripped you a new asshole. Next time just shut your fucking mouth and don't reply to posts that are self explanatory. Moron.

PWNT!

Well said, well said. You kinda missed me when you started ripping Dave. Congratulations. Now, my turn.

Originally posted by ConceptualMind:

The dictionary defines "atmosphere" as:
a particular environment or surrounding influence; "there was an atmosphere of excitement"

Now, let's back up a bit and go back to 2005 when Neverside was somewhat flourishing. Shawn did a good job of actively participating in the community and promoting user interaction. At the time, Neversidian had just launched and I was involved in the admin-mentorship program. As part of a 'contest,' I wrote an application on why I should be an administrator of Neverside and what type of things I would do to improve the site. After being an administrator for over four weeks and earning a permanent spot on the staff team, I witnessed many things first hand that you wouldn't have a fucking clue about.

Let's get this straight. There's no fucking sense of community and there's nothing to fucking develop. I'll be honest, I had a hard time managing the staff -- Shawn was right. Half the time I would be asking other staff members where the hell people ran off to. The developers do this during their free time. There's no pay involved and no rewards either. How can you motivate developers to create a full-fledged site when they don't get any person gain or recognition? (Let's not mention the "community" that constantly flames about how shitty the development team is). You're probably thinking, "Recognition? What the **** is he talking about?" I'm willing to bet $25 via PayPal that Dave (AbsoluteCross) couldn't point out more than 5 former staff members and more than 5 designers/developers. How's THAT for community?

And if this REALLY is a community with a great atmosphere, why the **** aren't any of the former staff members recognized? Their usergroup was deleted. Individuals, such as Simon, devoted their time to TF/NS for years. What did they get in return? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. If I remember right, Dave never thanked any of his designers and developers that did work for him so he could earn a profit.

ASSHOLE! Everything I am talking about is a gradual increase from what NS is now. As for your information, I have been here a long fucking time and have seen the up and downs of the community. 2002! 4 fucking years you *** twat I have been faithful to this fucked up community and have not once talked down to the developers. I personally see Jeremie and Toach as geniuses when they developed/maintained NeverAPI, respectively. What Dave does to the developers is his own business and there is nothing I can do to change that. Your problem isn't with my post to have you contribute more to the damn convos, but a rant at the fact that you left the staff over poor management. I manage groups myself that work for me and I thank them every chance I get. They also work for free. But they know I appreciate them. Like I said, what Dave does is what Dave does. You were an admin of NS and yet, under your management, you complain. You were managing. Timetables, agendas. Surely you could have gotten something to fucking work with the talent you were handed.

Sure, nothing this grand is done for free and nothing ever will be. vBB is successful because, for YEARS, yes, YEARS, you said it yourself assclown, that the developers have been working on vBB. NeverAPI has just launched not that long ago. Open source the damned thing and see who will try and tackle the damn thing. Common sense kicks in two directions my friend. Not my fault you had a fall out with the superiors. I could care less. I get no recognition for my long years here, contributing to every thing that goes on. I'm not a developer. I design. When I know for fact that we will switch to vBB, I'll give your *** something. Bastard. Contempt and no pity.

Originally posted by ConceptualMind:

This post wasn't intended to rip on Dave since there are other staff members at fault, too. Neverside is basically a dictatorship nowadays. There are only 3 active moderators who tend to go on a power trip locking every fucking thread for no damn reason. Let's not mention names, but one person in particular is a fucking hypocrite -- I'm sure he knows who I'm talking about. (Samurai_Zero) Stephen has great intentions of managing the staff, however, there's nothing to manage. Of all the staff members, he's probably the person I respect the most, though I don't always show it. If Dave was active during the past year I'm sure I'd have much more respect for him as well. However, he seems like a money mongering whore that takes his staff for granted.

I know who you speak of. But again, that is a management problem. How many times have I suggested that Dave clean house and rid the place of inactive mods and instate new ones who really want to help the community grow? Alas, my shouts go unheard. Now, I'm not saying that this is the smartest decision, but it will give fresh air around this place to see people who are around alot and are active. I think Briony was a mod, correct? WHERE THE **** IS THAT AUSSIE?* Prime example. Dave, I'm not sticking up for you/him, but he has been active alot more since people have started to leave. Maybe he needed to be more active and forthcoming before that. I don't know. Again, his perrogitive. (sp?)

Originally posted by ConceptualMind:

Stop kidding yourself, Kidd. (LAWL PUN!!1!) I fucking hate seeing you talking down to others and proclaiming you'll volunteer and do this **** or that ****. I don't think I can recall you ever contributing to the community? Ironically, you're giving me a warning when I've done much more for Neverside than you ever will. Instead of TELLING us you're going to do ****, why don't you actually START working on something. Welcome to 1999, buddy. An "exceptional design" does not equal a "community." There's so much you have to learn, little ninja. And I'd like for you to define "better." What plugins and hacks can instantly make a community "better"? If you're going to modify a site, the modifications should be tailored to the community and, hopefully, enhance the user experience. You remind me of one of those nub phpBB forum admins that fucking throws every damn plugin they find on their board: arcade, points, forum RPGs, etc. That **** is annoying as **** and doesn't make a better community. Please be more descriptive if you're going to contribute, asshat.

You find one place where I said ONE SINGLE hack would make NS better. Again, I speak on gradual terms. Given the chance to run behind the scenes and do something for NS would be an honor. Recognition or none. You created a ncie "community" and that is all that you should be looking for. You obviously VOLUNTEERED for the position and yet you ***** about not recieving recognition. Volunteers hardly do. But again (I seem to come to this point often), that is a managment issue. Talk to Dave.

And as for developing for NS, I, like most people, have other things going on that requires more time than I have to give. But if you want me to, speak the task and I WILL COMPLETE IT! (anything outside of developing ie: coding).

Originally posted by ConceptualMind:

kidd175: Please refer to my signature. And here's a bandaid because I'm pretty sure I just ripped you a new asshole. Next time just shut your fucking mouth and don't reply to posts that are self explanatory. Moron.

Thanks. I didn't need it but maybe you will.

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Originally posted by kidd175:

You were an admin of NS and yet, under your management, you complain. You were managing. Timetables, agendas. Surely you could have gotten something to fucking work with the talent you were handed.

He did actually, v1.2 of the site was released and he managed the deadlines during this time. However, Jeremie was unreachable for awhile during this from what I was told which led to delays. Management only goes as far as the motivation and drive of your team, if the Lead Developer is slacking then everyone else on the development will end up slacking because they're out of the loop. Get some facts straight Kidd.

Recognition like 'Thanks' is something I told my team everyday and still do. Volunteer or not, if you're paid it's recognition so if someone is spending their free time doing something, just a 'Thanks for being here and helping out' is great and takes 5 seconds. I wrote it in 5 seconds anyways.

Anywho, this thread isn't intended for this anyways. I left NS for the simple reason that I was a staff member and administrator for 3 years and it felt like I didn't really accomplish anything.

Also, while I was here, crap like Dave's site getting hacked and so forth didn't happen. I spent a lot of my time making sure this site was running and functional and protected from script kiddies. I would get text messages if the site was down and would drop everything, thankless or thanked, I did it.

I just simply moved on, if you want to continue and work under Dave, that's your choice and no one is putting you down for it. Don't act like the rest didn't do what they could to get things done, it was people who were not motivated or driven to get things done that ultimately made it fall, and maybe I didn't push enough.

Scott gets big props for taking over what Jeremie abandoned without even really saying anything. Same goes for Joe who worked on the design and the rest of the staff who stayed on regardless of how bad things were.

Get some facts straight before you post some nonsense like that though Kidd, but get back on topic of how we can help NS.

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Locke....we had our moment. This is me and CM's. But I respect you for dropping by and properly ripping me. I wasn't behind the scenes with you all, so I am implying from observation what may/did happen.

But you're correct, back on topic.

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Originally posted by kidd175:

Well said, well said. You kinda missed me when you started ripping Dave. Congratulations. Now, my turn.

Originally posted by ConceptualMind:

The dictionary defines "atmosphere" as:
a particular environment or surrounding influence; "there was an atmosphere of excitement"

Now, let's back up a bit and go back to 2005 when Neverside was somewhat flourishing. Shawn did a good job of actively participating in the community and promoting user interaction. At the time, Neversidian had just launched and I was involved in the admin-mentorship program. As part of a 'contest,' I wrote an application on why I should be an administrator of Neverside and what type of things I would do to improve the site. After being an administrator for over four weeks and earning a permanent spot on the staff team, I witnessed many things first hand that you wouldn't have a fucking clue about.

Let's get this straight. There's no fucking sense of community and there's nothing to fucking develop. I'll be honest, I had a hard time managing the staff -- Shawn was right. Half the time I would be asking other staff members where the hell people ran off to. The developers do this during their free time. There's no pay involved and no rewards either. How can you motivate developers to create a full-fledged site when they don't get any person gain or recognition? (Let's not mention the "community" that constantly flames about how shitty the development team is). You're probably thinking, "Recognition? What the **** is he talking about?" I'm willing to bet $25 via PayPal that Dave (AbsoluteCross) couldn't point out more than 5 former staff members and more than 5 designers/developers. How's THAT for community?

And if this REALLY is a community with a great atmosphere, why the **** aren't any of the former staff members recognized? Their usergroup was deleted. Individuals, such as Simon, devoted their time to TF/NS for years. What did they get in return? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. If I remember right, Dave never thanked any of his designers and developers that did work for him so he could earn a profit.

ASSHOLE! Everything I am talking about is a gradual increase from what NS is now. As for your information, I have been here a long fucking time and have seen the up and downs of the community. 2002! 4 fucking years you *** twat I have been faithful to this fucked up community and have not once talked down to the developers. I personally see Jeremie and Toach as geniuses when they developed/maintained NeverAPI, respectively. What Dave does to the developers is his own business and there is nothing I can do to change that. Your problem isn't with my post to have you contribute more to the damn convos, but a rant at the fact that you left the staff over poor management. I manage groups myself that work for me and I thank them every chance I get. They also work for free. But they know I appreciate them. Like I said, what Dave does is what Dave does. You were an admin of NS and yet, under your management, you complain. You were managing. Timetables, agendas. Surely you could have gotten something to fucking work with the talent you were handed.

Sure, nothing this grand is done for free and nothing ever will be. vBB is successful because, for YEARS, yes, YEARS, you said it yourself assclown, that the developers have been working on vBB. NeverAPI has just launched not that long ago. Open source the damned thing and see who will try and tackle the damn thing. Common sense kicks in two directions my friend. Not my fault you had a fall out with the superiors. I could care less. I get no recognition for my long years here, contributing to every thing that goes on. I'm not a developer. I design. When I know for fact that we will switch to vBB, I'll give your *** something. Bastard. Contempt and no pity.

You don't quite understand. I replied to your post and gave specific examples to back up my statements. You've been here since 2002 (aka homg four years!!1!). I'm sure you were about as faithful to this community as a whore is to his/her client. Especially considering you don't understand why I left staff. Please cite where I stated I left due to poor management, you illiterate ****. If you were following anything that has to do with this community you would understand that Shawn left to pursue other interests and head in a different direction. Unfortunately, those staff members who wished to faciliate him in his new project were FORCED off staff. As a result of "a conflict of interests" Neverside wouldn't allow people to be involved in more than one project. Selfish? Certainly. And (here I go again referencing a specific example and "missing" you) staff members were demoted to the Former Staff usergroup which was ultimately deleted.

As a side note, I also LOVE how you refer to Neverside as a "fucked up community" yet say you've never once talked down to the developers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the developers ARE the community. And guess what? The members ARE the community as well. So in essence, you're just fucking yourself.

How Dave treats the developers may be his own business, but the way he treats his staff is reflected towards the community. Neglecting the staff members for months and not even bothering to learn their names sure as **** doesn't improve a community.

In regards to my term as admin, I did get things done. Apparently you weren't "faithful" to Neverside during the summer of 2005. I was responsible for managing a new version of the site, notifying the community of our progress (take a look at the News section and Water Cooler posts), and launching Neversidian. However, when someone lives in a different country and your only means of communication is a Staff-only Forum then it is hard to get things done in a timely manner, if at all. Those problems were beyond my control. I'd also like to mention I took the time to get to know the majority of my staff (those who were active) and treat them like they should be treated. Apparently I've turned into a bitter old man that rants at random morons and argues over the internet. However, let's not discuss that.

True, NeverAPI was launched last year but what improvements have been made since then? How many months did it take to have a functional search completed? How many months did it take to have a featureless private message system completed? Yes, assclown. My point exactly. NeverAPI belongs partly to Jeremie and you can't simply say **** like "open source the damned thing." Think before you blurt out jabberwocky. And I highly doubt common sense can kick in two different directions unless it pulls some Jackie Chan **** and does the splits in the air thereby kick both opponents in opposite directions. That **** doesn't happen in real life. You're wrong. Get over it.

Please enlighten me by telling me how you "contributed" to Neverside. Please use specific examples like I have in my previous post and in this post. This isn't a boxing match, don't be afriad to "miss" me.

Originally posted by kidd175:

Originally posted by ConceptualMind:

This post wasn't intended to rip on Dave since there are other staff members at fault, too. Neverside is basically a dictatorship nowadays. There are only 3 active moderators who tend to go on a power trip locking every fucking thread for no damn reason. Let's not mention names, but one person in particular is a fucking hypocrite -- I'm sure he knows who I'm talking about. (Samurai_Zero) Stephen has great intentions of managing the staff, however, there's nothing to manage. Of all the staff members, he's probably the person I respect the most, though I don't always show it. If Dave was active during the past year I'm sure I'd have much more respect for him as well. However, he seems like a money mongering whore that takes his staff for granted.

I know who you speak of. But again, that is a management problem. How many times have I suggested that Dave clean house and rid the place of inactive mods and instate new ones who really want to help the community grow? Alas, my shouts go unheard. Now, I'm not saying that this is the smartest decision, but it will give fresh air around this place to see people who are around alot and are active. I think Briony was a mod, correct? WHERE THE **** IS THAT AUSSIE?* Prime example. Dave, I'm not sticking up for you/him, but he has been active alot more since people have started to leave. Maybe he needed to be more active and forthcoming before that. I don't know. Again, his perrogitive. (sp?)

"Cleaning house" and getting "rid of inactive mods" isn't as quite easy as you think especially considering Dave doesn't know which staff members are actually active and what their roles are. And who is to take place of these mods? The 5 active members we have participating in the Water Cooler? Are they going to moderate their own posts? This has '**** me up the ***' written all over it. I suppose we'll also completely throw away their recognition and make them a normal member as well? This isn't the best solution if you think about how these guys have been here longer than you have. I find it hard to stomach demoting the founding staff members of the community. Dave is active only for monetary gain. It is also the same reason he's trying to keep up his Google ranking with AbsoluteCross and updating the site.

Originally posted by kidd175:

Originally posted by ConceptualMind:

Stop kidding yourself, Kidd. (LAWL PUN!!1!) I fucking hate seeing you talking down to others and proclaiming you'll volunteer and do this **** or that ****. I don't think I can recall you ever contributing to the community? Ironically, you're giving me a warning when I've done much more for Neverside than you ever will. Instead of TELLING us you're going to do ****, why don't you actually START working on something. Welcome to 1999, buddy. An "exceptional design" does not equal a "community." There's so much you have to learn, little ninja. And I'd like for you to define "better." What plugins and hacks can instantly make a community "better"? If you're going to modify a site, the modifications should be tailored to the community and, hopefully, enhance the user experience. You remind me of one of those nub phpBB forum admins that fucking throws every damn plugin they find on their board: arcade, points, forum RPGs, etc. That **** is annoying as **** and doesn't make a better community. Please be more descriptive if you're going to contribute, asshat.

You find one place where I said ONE SINGLE hack would make NS better. Again, I speak on gradual terms. Given the chance to run behind the scenes and do something for NS would be an honor. Recognition or none. You created a ncie "community" and that is all that you should be looking for. You obviously VOLUNTEERED for the position and yet you ***** about not recieving recognition. Volunteers hardly do. But again (I seem to come to this point often), that is a managment issue. Talk to Dave.

And as for developing for NS, I, like most people, have other things going on that requires more time than I have to give. But if you want me to, speak the task and I WILL COMPLETE IT! (anything outside of developing ie: coding).

Originally posted by ConceptualMind:

kidd175: Please refer to my signature. And here's a bandaid because I'm pretty sure I just ripped you a new asshole. Next time just shut your fucking mouth and don't reply to posts that are self explanatory. Moron.

Thanks. I didn't need it but maybe you will.

You find me one place where I mentioned you told me ONE SINGLE hack would make Neverside better. Dipshit. Stop fucking putting words in my mouth. "DAMN!" If you have to resort to making up bullshit to support your argument, you suck at life. Also, when did I ***** about not receiving recognition? I don't give a **** or else I would've mentioned it previously. I wanted to give back to the community last year and use the oppotunity as a learning experience. I specificially mentioned former staff members who contributed a LOT more to Neverside than you or me. For fucks sake, TAKE THE TIME TO READ MY FUCKING POST. Stop assuming ****. Stop making up bullshit. You fucking dumbass ****. Learn to read, dammit.

If you have other **** to do outside of Neverside then why the **** do you constantly volunteer to do **** without actually doing it? Do you have a fucking gnome tugging on your penis threatening you to post you'll help with random *** **** or else he'll stick it in your mouth? You're losing me.

My offer on the bandaid still stands. If you reply, please take the time to read my fucking posts without assuming or making up bullshit. None of your points were valid arguments. None. I recommend you re-read my original post before you reply. This time fucking read what I type. Seriously.

Eh...? This is all that I'll say on this anymore. Here's your leverage over me and the only reason you continue to "win" this "argument."

YOU....WERE....STAFF! Obviously, you know more about the darkness that was NS behind the scenes than I ever will. True. Not knocking you for that. But you DID become a bitter *** bastard. I can't help with that. You seem to have an issue with the managment. AGAIN, that is the main reason you continue to rant.

As for examples, I have none. I don't want to dig and search through all the pages to pick up ****. I always volunteer to help the community, hoping that someone will take me up on that offer. Obviously, as you have pointed out so many times before, Dave has his own agenda.

You want to remove the mods that aren't active? Look who hasn't been here in the past...ooohhh...5+ months and boot the bastards from admin status. Again, what Dave decides to do with them after that, is up to him. We as a community need to just start doing **** and stopping bitching, myself included, about the incompetency of the management.

I'm not even going to quote you on anything. You can "win" this and I'll take the bandaid. I'll save it for when YOU need it. I can take defeat and "humiliation." Go ahead, ***** some more. I'LL READ EVERY FUCKING LETTER AND PUNCTUATION MARK thrice times over to absorb all of your ranting wisdom.

As for founding staff...who is still here? Locke is the only one I like/respect out of Robouk, AbsoluteCross, and that other guy. The mods that were here before me...meh. They jumped ship along time ago.

Have a nice fucking day/night.

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NeverAPI is useful only in a fantasy world where people have unlimited time to waste for miniscule increases in performance. From Mr. Hardass himself:

Originally posted by Locke:

When you work with more than 1 developer, OOP is the route to go. Whether or not you sacrifice speed or not is irrelevant, if it's a team project OOP wins.

Hardware prices drop significantly faster than the cost of development. This wasn't apparent because the programmer cost factor was seemingly irrelevant due to good people like Jeremie and Scott who were nice enough to spend time doing charity work for this site. If this site is to go anywhere, there needs to be motivation behind it.

Last edited by Rad, August 17th, 2006 09:41 AM (Edited 1 times)

Originally posted by kidd175:

Eh...? This is all that I'll say on this anymore. Here's your leverage over me and the only reason you continue to "win" this "argument."

YOU....WERE....STAFF! Obviously, you know more about the darkness that was NS behind the scenes than I ever will. True. Not knocking you for that. But you DID become a bitter *** bastard. I can't help with that. You seem to have an issue with the managment. AGAIN, that is the main reason you continue to rant.

First off, I never sought to argue or "win" an argument. You replied with some bullshit, condescending post and I addressed yours.

Explain to me how you're not knocking me for being on staff. I believe that was your entire argument in your last post. Since I love backing up **** with actual facts, let me quote you:

Originally posted by kidd175:

Your problem isn't with my post to have you contribute more to the damn convos, but a rant at the fact that you left the staff over poor management.

and ...

Originally posted by kidd175:

You were an admin of NS and yet, under your management, you complain. You were managing. Timetables, agendas. Surely you could have gotten something to fucking work with the talent you were handed.

I became a "bitter *** bastard" because this community became dull. However, the reason I'm continuing to rant is to put you in your place. I hate when people talk **** and try to cover themselves up with random *** bullshit. I don't tolerate that type of behavior.

Originally posted by kidd175:

As for examples, I have none. I don't want to dig and search through all the pages to pick up ****. I always volunteer to help the community, hoping that someone will take me up on that offer. Obviously, as you have pointed out so many times before, Dave has his own agenda.

Anyone can pull **** out of their *** and claim all sorts of bullshit. Unless you have actual proof, there's no reason for you to waste disk space and bandwidth from your post. Sometimes if you want to get noticed you have to go above and beyond. Why don't you attempt a design and PM/email a staff member and go from there? If nobody notices you volunteering via posts, then try something else that works.

Originally posted by kidd175:

I'm not even going to quote you on anything. You can "win" this and I'll take the bandaid. I'll save it for when YOU need it. I can take defeat and "humiliation." Go ahead, ***** some more. I'LL READ EVERY FUCKING LETTER AND PUNCTUATION MARK thrice times over to absorb all of your ranting wisdom.

As for founding staff...who is still here? Locke is the only one I like/respect out of Robouk, AbsoluteCross, and that other guy. The mods that were here before me...meh. They jumped ship along time ago.

Have a nice fucking day/night.

I find it funny you were the one to instigate these posts yet you're threatening me? This isn't about defeat and humiliation. Its about me explaining myself and putting you in your place. From the looks of it, it seems like you're the one bitching you "lost" this "argument". Just stop posting. Please.