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Tool, there is a pretty big difference between gays, blacks and jews as minority groups.

When you are born, you have no choice as to who your parents are. But you DO have a choice in your sexual preference. You can do what comes natural (heterosexuality), you can dabble in both sexes (bisexuality) or you can go for the same sex (homosexuality). And people sometimes change between the three.

Whereas with black people, they can't just wake up one day and say "I'm going to be white today!".

Therein, the difference lies.

Originally posted by pingu:

But you DO have a choice in your sexual preference. You can do what comes natural (heterosexuality), you can dabble in both sexes (bisexuality) or you can go for the same sex (homosexuality). And people sometimes change between the three.

Actually, no.

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Right...great argument clincher.

Gay marriage shouldn't be up to the state. It takes away freedoms that were given to them at birth, mainly the right to pursue happiness. If you want to mingle in the same sex, then that's that's your choice. I also don't believe that marriage is sacred. If marriage was sacred, then men marrying women 15-18 year olds wouldn't be permitted to do so. If there are flaws in the heterosexual laws of marriage, then how can you condemn homosexual marriages? I think they make up the law as they go along with this issue.

Greeks had orgies where the older men slept with younger men, and so on throughout history. Homosexuality is a very old practice and men were getting "married" way back in history.

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Um...onelife, when I was asking about Religion in general or Christianity specificly...that was for a new thread, not this one . But I do agree; it can be a headache to argue religion.
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I see the angle that you are coming from, Vierstein, and I will confess that I have been doing a lot of thinking about my stance on this subject recently, and that I plan to do a lot more. I did a google search, and came up with a very interesting document on this subjet here:
http://bernardmoon.blogspot.com/2004/01/christians-view ... sexuality-deroy.html
Plus, the writer quotes Lewis .
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Marriage is sacred not because humans do it well, or have the right laws about it, but because God created it. And he created it in a certain way, too.

"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh." (Genesis 2:24, NIV).

And I believe that, if marriage is to have a point, that's it. We were created that way. Men and women are designed to be united in this way. Otherwise, what is the point of marriage? It's just a restriction imposed by man. I can't really argue about keeping homosexual marriage illegal for everyone from this point, except that it is no longer, by God's definition, "marriage". Personally, I don't see why we give special legal rights/tax breaks/etc. to married couples but not to those who co-habit, and I see no reason why homosexual partners shouldn't get them.

And I'm gone again all this week. See ya!

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Last edited by Coriakin, July 18th, 2005 09:08 PM (Edited 2 times)

Originally posted by pingu:

Tool, there is a pretty big difference between gays, blacks and jews as minority groups.

When you are born, you have no choice as to who your parents are. But you DO have a choice in your sexual preference. You can do what comes natural (heterosexuality), you can dabble in both sexes (bisexuality) or you can go for the same sex (homosexuality). And people sometimes change between the three.

Whereas with black people, they can't just wake up one day and say "I'm going to be white today!".

Therein, the difference lies.

Talking about beating a dead horse here. Who is a straight person to tell a gay person whether or not they decided to be gay? They say they never had a choice? Why not listen to them? Do you have some sort of proof to say "No, you DID decide!", no. If i'm on the phone with someone in another state, and they're looking at a dog, and tell me its black, am i going to say "No that dog is white"??? NO. Are gays pathological liars now too? Let's give them SOME respect, and listen to them... honestly now...

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No respect? Iffa you remember my previos post, which went along the lines of:

"No person or society has the right to set limitations on the sexual standards or the frequency of sexual activity of another."

Basically, I'm saying that gay people should be allowed to do their thing. But that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Now, on to your point about choices. I KNOW people who had a choice, yes they were attracted to men, and women, but then they decided to solely go after men. And I KNOW people who have gone from one side, to the other, and back again over a long period of time. Perhaps the choice for some gay people is quite subliminal, and subconcious...but that is still a choice.

Are you serious? Do you KNOW every gay person on the earth! Do you have some sort of tap into my brain? Honestly... I think I would know if I made a choice!

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I chose to be gay because running away from homophobes keeps my weight down.

Originally posted by kidd175:

Gay marriage shouldn't be up to the state.

Well, it is.

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