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Gay Marriage (beating a dead horse)

There's a bulliten going around myspace where people post their views on gay marriage. Some of the replies were so ignorant that it discusted me. So here's my reply:
I was promped to write this post when I saw the bulliten on gay marriage. This is a subject I feel very strongly about.

Now, while your religious beliefs may feel important to you, lets take a look at the document that defines our nation, the constitution. It stipulates that there MUST be a separation of church and state (see the crusades, egypt, and Ancient greece for reasons why).

If your only justifaction for the criminalization of same sex marriage is because it's wrong, and against the bible, then obviously do not have the slightest understanding of how our country works, nor the the laws we abide by (and don't forget the fact that the BIBLE says obey the laws of the land).

The declaration said all men have unalienable rights, one of them being the right to persue happiness (not stating the obvious fact that it cannot interfere with anyone else's right to persue happiness).

Now, lets take the argument of the "protecting the 'sanctity'" of marriage.
Lets look at webster's definition of sanctity:
" Holiness of life or disposition; saintliness."

By definition the word 'holiness' implies a religion (however ambiguous it may be), which is supposed to be separated from state. It CANNOT have an effect on our laws. Period.

On a less technical note,
Why the hell do you care what someone else does with their life? What if someone said you cannot marry a white or black person because of their religion (I believe it was tried before, it's called the civil rights movement).

You're playing with a very, very dangerous thing when you decide laws on rules defined by ANY religion, and anyone who does not see that obviously is not aware of the atrocites committed by "christian" governments. Read up on the crusades.

Here's a good one, hitler shared the same view as you on homosexuals and gay marriage. How's that example?

Discuss.

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I simply don't see how any guy can be sexually atracted to another male, it's just wrong. Diversity is something I don't think should be given free run to the extent of same sex marriges.

Agatio, it is not like they choose to be homosexual, it just happens.

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Originally posted by philcloh2o:

Agatio, it is not like they choose to be homosexual, it just happens.

I don't believe that and I never will. I just refuse to belive any male can be attracted to another male because of genetics. The reason people are gay is because society these days is so relaxed, and anything goes really. So people find it ok to have sexual relations with people of the same gender. I don't know why, maybe a troubled childhood, no real male influence growing up? Didn't fit in with other males so they hung out with girls? I've never personally met a gay person though (and I never plan to).

Originally posted by Agatio:

Originally posted by philcloh2o:

Agatio, it is not like they choose to be homosexual, it just happens.

I don't believe that and I never will. I just refuse to belive any male can be attracted to another male because of genetics. The reason people are gay is because society these days is so relaxed, and anything goes really. So people find it ok to have sexual relations with people of the same gender. I don't know why, maybe a troubled childhood, no real male influence growing up? Didn't fit in with other males so they hung out with girls? I've never personally met a gay person though (and I never plan to).

I bet you're the kind of person who doesn't mind lesbians though, right?

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Originally posted by Agatio:

Originally posted by philcloh2o:

Agatio, it is not like they choose to be homosexual, it just happens.

I don't believe that and I never will. I just refuse to belive any male can be attracted to another male because of genetics. The reason people are gay is because society these days is so relaxed, and anything goes really. So people find it ok to have sexual relations with people of the same gender. I don't know why, maybe a troubled childhood, no real male influence growing up? Didn't fit in with other males so they hung out with girls? I've never personally met a gay person though (and I never plan to).

Why are men attracted to women in the first place? Genetics, the mark up that makes us attracted. Sure it might not anatomically work, but isnt it feasible to say, that if man is atracted to women, because of the checmical workings of the brain, that there are of course going to be anomolies where the same sex would be attracted? I'm sure they choose to live a life of reidicule, being spat on by other ignorant prats, and looked down on to the point they can't even inherit their loved ones possesions or insurance. I'm sure they strive for that infact, by proudly proclaiming they are homosexual, and how dare they think they can have any kind of human rights.. right? No, they're human beings, and need to be respected as any human being does. Personally, i could care less. I just don't feel the need to stick my face in between two people and point my nose in the air and say "No, your not normal", By whos standards?

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Originally posted by Agatio:

I've never personally met a gay person though (and I never plan to).

I find this very hard to believe. You must have met someone who was gay, even if you didn't know it.

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The laws governing same sex marriage was brought about for legal reasons not sexual ones.
Homosexuality is nothing new and is, in fact, older than the Bible. However many
homosexual relationships were being contended by families interfereing with the probate of
wills/estates. Liberace relationship being one of such sorts.

The sexually attraction of same genders is very easy to define yet differing in many
way. This class of people have given names to the differing types. 'Gay, queer, fag,
drag queen, just to name a few.

1. Many are born this way. Now if you studied how a male is developed in the womb you
will discover that all males are first females. Somewhere in transistion something goes
awry and although the male body is born the female side remains. Some have both male
& female organs while others are left with feminine qualities in a male body. This is also
true for females. Whereas the female is born but inside and sometimes outside, is a true
male. Both discover their true gender during puberty if not sooner. Some except it while
others can not.
2. Some are reared this way by one or both parents.
3. Some are raped at a very early age which continues for years & years and they know
nothing else.
4. Some turn this way for psychological reasons, rejection of the opposite sex, hatred of
the opposite sex, etc.
5. Some choose to be this way for reasons such as fitting in with the 'gay crowd.'
6. Some keep it hidden, even marry & have children, yet still having 'the night on the town'.

Now a 'true male' will be attracted to a 'true female'. And the same is true of a 'true
homosexual', they will only be attracted to a 'true homosexual'. And in all honesty, you
will never know that a 'true homosexual' is as he or she is, for they do not flaunt their
sexuality in public. However 'queers, ***s & drag queens' will. Why? psychological reasons!

Now is it a sin as the Bible says? Well the Bible was written by the Jewish people not the
Christians. And in order to understand why they believed it was a sin is find out where in
the Bible it first came into play and what was happening during this period.

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Last edited by onelife, July 6th, 2005 04:32 AM (Edited 3 times)

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I've never personally met a gay person though (and I never plan to).

I also find it fairly hard to believe, but also shows a fair ammount of ignorance (the plan not to meet one). Some of the nicest people i have ever met have been gay. Infact i met a gay person (i don't refer the a gay person as 'one' or 'them' generally), and didn't know until i was told. Was i surprised? No, i just didn't care, he was a cool guy, who was proud of who he is, despite all of the accusations and ignorance from immature individuals. I find that inspriational on many levels, to be able to proclaim what you believe in, despite being looked down upon, because of who he chooses to have sex with, in his own time, personally, and with discretion.

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so people are gay because society is so relaxed, agatio? first of all, like someone above mentioned, homosexuality has been around forever (eg leonardo da vinci was gay), people simply never talked about it, it was a taboo subject, in the same way that women and coloured people were 'inferior', and that 'barabrians' were simply being difficult by speaking another language.
secondly, homosexuality also exists in other animals, which indicates that it is simply a reasonably possible defect.

your one of those macho guys huh agatio, a good beating from the father would have turned them straight huh?

and even if it is a phsycological defect, are we gonna make it illegal for people to hallucinate? to speak to themselves? of course not, even social outliers should be respected and given rights to do what they please as long as it doesnt infringe on anyone else's rights.

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