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Originally posted by Kronic:

Originally posted by Kickboy:

Since when does age matter anyway?

Do you NEED a list?

Allow me to rephrase his question...Since when does whether you're older or younger than 18 matter?

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There are so many ways I can go with this. I really just want to say that that isn't a good enough reason to justify drugs.

Do you have a reason to not justify them? If you haven't tried anything, you shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on it. Because honestly, how can you judge something you know nothing about, or haven't experienced.

Originally posted by rosem:

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There are so many ways I can go with this. I really just want to say that that isn't a good enough reason to justify drugs.

Do you have a reason to not justify them? If you haven't tried anything, you shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on it. Because honestly, how can you judge something you know nothing about, or haven't experienced.

There are other reasons to be allowed to have opinions on things you have never done. If I had never done drugs (which is actually the case) but have dated many a girl who wound up doing drugs either before, after, or during dating me and I was affected because of their drug use, then I would say I have a right to speak my mind on drugs. When you see patterns develop in completely different people over a period of time because of drug use, then sometimes it shows a path that can't be completely coincidental. Now, I will say that I also believe generalizations on any subject will ultimately lead you down the wrong path, the truth can sometimes become closer to the generalizations than one would like... at the same time, there are exceptions to every rule.

Apparently if you are well schooled in drug use and know the limits and follow the limits, you are the exception and should be congratulated and given all the drugs you could want, because you will be fine. The majority of people don't do it right though. The majority of people aren't taught the proper way and that coupled with stress in ones life, or any number of things can become a very dangerous situation.

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Originally posted by rosem:

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There are so many ways I can go with this. I really just want to say that that isn't a good enough reason to justify drugs.

Do you have a reason to not justify them? If you haven't tried anything, you shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on it. Because honestly, how can you judge something you know nothing about, or haven't experienced.

I dunno, a lot of people don't live in the United States, or have ever been the President, yet we seem to make opinions towards that and vice versa. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, not everyone experiences 'drug abuse' by actually using them.

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Originally posted by Locke:

I dunno, a lot of people don't live in the United States, or have ever been the President, yet we seem to make opinions towards that and vice versa. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, not everyone experiences 'drug abuse' by actually using them.

That's very true, but at the same time everything can be considered a generalization by those who have not had first-hand experience with drugs. My experience suggests people who have not done drugs tend to jump to conclusions about what they are, and how they affect you. I blame the media.

You never have a positive story about drugs, it's always negative. You hear something like; "Some kid on acid jumped out of a 5 story window and died". You never hear something like; "Some kid on acid found that life isn't actually real, and we are just an imagination of ourselves. There is no such thing as death, we are eternal beings, and we are all one." -- That's news worthy.

I agree with a previous statement made about responsibility. Anything used irrisponsibly will be dangerous. If it's done responsibly, there is no danger what-so-ever.

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Last edited by Kickboy, May 13th, 2005 04:31 AM (Edited 1 times)

Anything used irresponsibly CAN BE DANGEROUS. I agree with that point. The point is that some things are already more dangerous than others to begin with. People who handle drugs responsibly are still at risk for more damage done to them than people who do not do drugs period. Now, add someone who is irresponsible with them and then you are really screwed.

I have never used drugs, but I do see patterns evolve by living first hand the results of others around me doing them. Being in the same room when they did them etc, watching friends go from being very responsible to being very irresponsible as they got "bored" with one drug and moved on to another or upped the dosage of the one they were bored with.

I am in Media. I know first hand what media is like. We cater to stories we think will get an audience reaction, otherwise people won't want to watch or listen to us. We do not always do wonderful stories about the joys of "insert happy topic here" because people would turn us off. You will never see a media outlet do a story on how using cocaine or meth or X or whatever is great and wonderful because the masses (not to mention the government) would see that as very irresponsible journalism. So yes media does tend to only give you the bad side of this.

BUT... I do offer if you have seen enough friends use them and abuse them and some of them are still strung out today, some of them learned and moved on and some of them never did cross the threshhold of being on the verge of going over the edge. Then you can see a pattern develop. There are far less "responsible" drug users than there are irresponsible ones. Unfortunate, but true. That is why they should have regulation placed on them. It is not an accident that there are several countries that have placed restrictions on drugs. It is our culture who has lead to those restrictions. People use them as an escape, not as a way of life. People get stressed and need a way to unwind by doing something that makes them feel good for a short period of time instead of dealing with their stress then using them as something to enjoy.

Other cultures, tribes in Africa for example, use them as rituals. The population knows what they are doing with them and that has been passed on from generation to generation and they do not abuse them. Our culture (UK, Germany, US, Spain, France, etc.... the powers of this world) use them as escapes from life and that is where it gets dangerous...even for a casual user.

Even though I say all of that, the responsible user is probably those who know the difference from escaping stress and just having a good time. I would also remind you though, it only takes on bad batch to kill you. With fast food one bad batch will generally just make you sick to your stomach, but not poisen you. Same with cigarettes (I would include Marijuana in that category).

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Rosem, I rather object to you calling me an idiot simply because I'd rather not be incompacitated by drugs (you may have misunderstood me to mean that everyone is incompacitated by drugs even when they're not using them... that would be a foolish thing to say and it wasn't my intent to have it come across that way). I have this little thing about me called wanting to be able to think clearly, it's not bad.

No, I've never tried drugs. I have no desire. Some people do, and to a certain extent I respect that (especially if it's something "light" like marijuana). But there are so many people putting others' lives in danger when they do drugs, and I'd rather not risk being that kind of statistic.

And your justification of drugs, quite frankly, sucks. There's no real reason why anyone should do drugs any more than there's a real reason why anyone should drink. If you haven't guessed, I'm not in favor of getting drunk either. That probably comes from all my mom's stories about her ex-husband coming home drunk or going out drunk and not coming home. It saves a lot of heartache (and leaves me to remember what I'm doing) and money.

So Rosem, before you go on calling someone an idiot, get your facts straight. Otherwise you're going to risk looking like a fool.

Edit: And about the age thing, age DOES make a difference. In the teen years, people are more likely to take risks. Risk-taking with certain drugs can cause abuse. Abuse is never good, with ANY substance/thing.

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Last edited by LadyFirelyght, May 13th, 2005 12:56 PM (Edited 1 times)

1. Yes. Marijuana, Ecstasy, Speed and Cocaine.
2. Drink alcohol sometimes but never smoke cigarretes.
3. Legal ones will obviously be used much more than illegal ones and will not be viewed as bad as illegal ones. E.g. Marijuana in Holland is legal, but what is marijuana view like? A bit worse than alcohol.
4. No, it's our body and our life, they shouldn't be taking decisions for us, maybe they can advise us, but that's it!
5. I wouldn't really care...

1. Have you ever used any recreational drugs and if yes, which ones?
No.

2. Do you smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol?
No.

3. What in your opionion, makes legal drugs better or worse than illegal ones?
No answer.

4. Do you feel the government has a right to tell us what we are allowed to put into your bodies or do you feel its their duty to protect us?
No, I feel that it should be your sole choice over what you put in your body. No on should be able to say, "No, you can't eat that," or "No, you can't take that." Same thing with euthanasia. If someone wants to kill themself, who has any rights to tell them they can't?

5. How would you feel if the government outlawed fast-food restaurants to help with obesity?
I'd be outraged. It's not about outlawing something that can cause obesity, it's about teaching moderation. I enjoy eating fast food from time to time. It's not my fault, and I shouldn't be punished for other people's stupidity.

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