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Originally posted by InvisibleCaper:

And to snap the rules is? You can't make an excuse for somebody just because they have a sob story. Look, the kid knew the rule. The teacher gave him a warning. He disobeyed. He continued to argue the point, to the extent he was declared to be "out of control" - which considering the emotional state I'd be in in that situation, is probably pretty off the wall. It shouldn't make a difference if it's his mom or his dentist.

First, his mom called HIM. She is a soldier in Iraq and the hours are completely different and so it was probably the only time she could call. It does make a difference if she is a soldier or a dentist because soldiers MUCH more limited than dentists. I mean... you can't go out and go to work as a soldier in the morning then come back home at like 5 or something. I mean, yes, he shouldn't be on the phone, but people are too strict with rules and should make exceptions to them like what happened there.

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Originally posted by michael:

Originally posted by InvisibleCaper:

And to snap the rules is? You can't make an excuse for somebody just because they have a sob story. Look, the kid knew the rule. The teacher gave him a warning. He disobeyed. He continued to argue the point, to the extent he was declared to be "out of control" - which considering the emotional state I'd be in in that situation, is probably pretty off the wall. It shouldn't make a difference if it's his mom or his dentist.

First, his mom called HIM. She is a soldier in Iraq and the hours are completely different and so it was probably the only time she could call. It does make a difference if she is a soldier or a dentist because soldiers MUCH more limited than dentists. I mean... you can't go out and go to work as a soldier in the morning then come back home at like 5 or something. I mean, yes, he shouldn't be on the phone, but people are too strict with rules and should make exceptions to them like what happened there.

Well, most handbooks state that parental consent never supersedes school rules; however, I do think that it wouldn't have been so bad to make an exception in this case... really now! Have any of you a clue of what it's like to have relatives off in a war that therefrom you are so isolated? Just the sound of her voice must have sent waves of relief and reassurance.

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Last edited by Sykil, May 7th, 2005 03:27 AM (Edited 2 times)

Originally posted by InvisibleCaper:

Yes, indeed, what in the HELL is this world coming to when we attempt to apply rules equally to everybody?

It's irrelevant if the rule is ridiculous (it is), or if the boy is in a unique situation (he is). I'll even agree that 10 days is a ridiculous amount of time to be suspended for that. But if he was getting extremely out of control, and if any other student, at that point, would be given the same punishment ... then I'm sorry, but the suspension was the right thing to do.

Put yourself in his place and I'm sure you won't be such a rule abiding bastard.

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First, yes Michael, I'm perfectly aware she called him, and that there is no way in heck a soldier is going to have the guaranteed availability of a dentist. But it still stands that the rule was in place. He could've ended the conversation when the teacher gave him the chance. Hard, yes, but he knew.

Stevie, I'll appreciate you not calling me a bastard in the future. I don't doubt - in fact, I've even said - that in that situation, I'd be more than a little frazzled. But tell me how that buys me an excuse from the rules? I too probably would've tried to get around them and keep talking to her. But if I got caught, hey, I knew the rules in the first place.

And really, if the students aren't allowed to use the phones during school hours, why was it on in the first place? He's basically asking to be punished in one way or another. It's just a sad occurance that it happened how it did.

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Seeing as none of us know the full story (like teh kid's prior offenses or how much he overreacted) it's kinda dumb to pass judgement.

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the teacher who first asked the kid to hang up should have asked at least who he was talking to, and should have let him talk to his mother, especially if she's in Iraq.

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Well, the teacher seemed to be overly aggressive by reaching out and trying to take the phone from him, which resulted in the guy hanging up on his mom.

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The school he attends must really suck. I was once suspended after fighting and injuring a friend, and only got half a day of suspension. And, at an earlier time, I beat the crap out of the same person, but didn't even get in trouble because the substitute teacher found it funny.

At my school, if I refused to do what the teachers told me, I'd get one day of In School Suspension at most.

The guy was right to stand up to the assholes. His mom is in Iraq, and his dad is dead, so even a daily phone call probably means quite a bit to him. Punishments are at the discretion of those who assign them, so the principal was just a total douchebag to choose to suspend him for 10 days.

I could maybe understand a 3 day suspension, but 10 days is just too long, and will probably completely screw up the kid's academic year. There are only 180 days in a school year, you know. That's a LOT of wasted days.

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Last edited by Popo, May 7th, 2005 07:49 AM (Edited 1 times)

He did break the rules, I do think that they should have allowed an exception for him to use his phone in such an important manor, however reguardless of the phone call it says he was disorderly when they tried to handle the situtation. I am pretty sure that with better people skills or if he'd just explianed to the teacher, principle, whatever instead of outright refusing to follow direct instructions with no explination. There's no way the teacher knew what or who he was talking to, for all she knew he was calling his drug dealer.

The rules are rules and apply to everyone, when we make exceptions for people instead of situations we put people above the law, now its not so severe in High School as it is in government but the idea is the same.

I maintain that had he talked to the teacher he would have been allowed to use the phone, and even if that didn't work he could take it to a higher authority and get special permission that would be required to use the phone. Instead he blatantly refused to follow a direct instruction from his authority offering no explination, he then made matters worse by acting out of line severely enough to get himself suspended for disorderly conduct. A clear head would have helped this kid alot, no ones perfect but you cannot let irresposiblity be excused no matter what the factors are, the kid would have been fine, but he made some bad choices when initially confronted by the teacher and repeated those bad choices with the assistant prinicple which earned him his punishment.

The school is right. He rebelled against authority instead of asking for permission and was consequently punished not for the fact that he was on the phone, but for his behvior in direction to staff members.

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First off, I'm not even going to comment on this, I am going to comment on this amazing display of vulgar and derogatory comments.

Do not get emotional over this and start swearing. If you want to intellectually discuss then, go ahead. I do not wish to see further infractions of immaturity and attacks coming from anyone, it is inappropriate, regardless of your stance/position of the current subject, and the sensitivity. Final warning.

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Last edited by Locke, May 7th, 2005 01:46 PM (Edited 2 times)