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Cinema4d / Maya Help

Does anyone know a good place that has tutorials on the basics of Cinema4d and/or Maya?

I see a lot of places with tutorials, that are easy to follow and everything. But that's not really how i like to learn. I want to know how the program works, the basic functions, key commands etc. as well.

Thanks.

- Sean (Glow)

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"I'm the cats pajamas!"

Not much but they are good

http://www.crazydesigns.org/index.php

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"Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment."
-Buddha -

Uh, i know Alvin (the owner of cd) Sorry but this isn't what I'm looking for. Read my first post again.

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"I'm the cats pajamas!"

Do a google search. Thats always the best way to find tutorials. Also, you should read the stickies. i think theres some tutorials for both the programs your looking for in there.

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Moeface.