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?What do you mean, Iraq is a whole other story, Bin Laden was a prevailing threat to u.s. and national security there was nothing premptive about is at all. Bush withdrew Intelligence and troops from Afghanastan and did not keep an eye on Al queda. His administration failed on the plans the clinton administration built. ANd we DO know there was some knowledge that an attack was a foot, Did you not watch the Rice testimony? And Clarke ...etc

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As I said in a previous thread, I'd vote for Bush, if I was old enough to register. Changing presidents in the middle of a war isn't very logical. Besides that, I'm not a fan of Kerry, or Democrats in general.

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Here's my problem with that idea my friend. ITS NOT POSSIBLE. Here's why...

The Bill of Rights reads ."Congress shall make no law establishing any particular denomination of religion in preference to another, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, nor shall the rights of conscience be infringed."

The purpose of the Bill of Rights is to protct the rights of minorities from the majority. The purpose of separating religion from government assistance was precisely to protect religious freedom. The government has no business promoting one religion over all others, whether its establishing church or having tax supported teachers leading prayers or presidents making decisions based on the bible.

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Last edited by paolo1234567891, May 7th, 2004 10:52 AM (Edited 1 times)

You didnt understand my point at all. My point is that you cant separate the religion from the person, hence you cant separate the govt from religion. You may not be having the govt fund churches, but religion will always be a part of govt because it is a part of the people. Unless you take it out of them, it will always be where they are, including govt.

I did understand your point but you didn't understand mine. For example, If bush really did legislate a repeal of abortion rights well at least late abortion so far, on the basis of its in the bible, thats wrong. I'm staunchly anti-abortionist by the way but still, by doing so he is undermining other religious minorities and denominations and establisging religious preference. This is just an example but what if some religion advocated the right for a woman to choose whether or not she wanted to keep a baby conceived through rape or incest. What if an islamic president was elected one day and imposed his religious beliefs onto some legeslation?

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Last edited by paolo1234567891, May 7th, 2004 11:39 AM (Edited 1 times)

devildog4jesus, that's uber and all, but you didn't give a single reason for wanting to circumvent "separation of church and state".

i, for one, have no religion. i don't believe in any god, messiah, or "superior being". WYSIWYG.

and, actually, the bible is full of hatred, murder, slavery, and racism. i, for one, can't believe people follow it as blindly as they do...it's the worst sci-fi script i've ever partially read.

Last edited by SmellyVognito, May 7th, 2004 12:16 PM (Edited 1 times)

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Originally posted by SmellyVognito
and, actually, the bible is full of hatred, murder, slavery, and racism. i, for one, can't believe people follow it as blindly as they do...it's the worst sci-fi script i've ever partially read.

::classic:
quite.

paolo seems to have the most relevant points. shane you seem to answer to quickly without really thinking throught what is being said, it seemed quite obvious to me what paolo meant. the fact is yes, you cant really seperate them, not completely, but you can try and follow the rules as the bill of rights says. a religious leader creates a problem, as paulo said because their views are biased, kerry seems to have a more open minded view. he is catholic himself, but still supports abortion dispite critism from religious leaders, because although he is personally against abortion he beliefs the choice should lie with the mother. it shouldn't really be a political decision.

as for clinton i definetly believe he was a very good leader, that he had a family problem doesnt matter in the least because it only shows that he is a human himself, and it has no political impact.

and shane, you seem to have missed the point by calling it hindsight there aswell, the fact is that bush had a crap foreign policy and relaxed pressure on the middle east that clinton had constructed, once pressure was lifted terrorists could plan their attack and strike. bush tried to respond quickly but he went overboard and let the economy get screwed by trying to focus everything on anti terrorism.

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sorry pao. you are not qualified to speak on 9-11 or American affairs, you are 16 and you dont even live here. its just the facts.

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?What do you mean, Iraq is a whole other story, Bin Laden was a prevailing threat to u.s. and national security there was nothing premptive about is at all. Bush withdrew Intelligence and troops from Afghanastan and did not keep an eye on Al queda. His administration failed on the plans the clinton administration built. ANd we DO know there was some knowledge that an attack was a foot, Did you not watch the Rice testimony? And Clarke ...etc

So your telling me that the Bush admen knew about 9/11? I'm not going to say its not possible, but I don't think its likely. I said why awhile back but I cant remember where so I will just try to remember most of it.

OK see it like this, WTC big source of cash lots of smart people, etc etc. This is something you don't want to lose because, well its going to cost you allot, money and lives. Along with the plane hitting the pentagon, you hit just right and you take out some VERY important people for things like war. Along with all that I do believe that 9/11 was supposed to be WAY bigger but thanks to smart thinking, all planes where grounded.

So if Bush wanted to use 9/11 as a sort of *reason* for going into Iraq, then he would of known that he would have to go into Afghanistan also. Thus making this a VERY UNSMART move, (if your soul purpose is to go after Iraq).

So I really don't think that they knew, Bush had been in office how long? 3-5 months? how are you supposed to get an organization that deals with terror info in that short amount of time. And plus the CIA and uh what ya call em lol, should have been done up much better under Clinton, WE knew who Bin laden was WE knew that is was him responsible for the Col and the embassy bombings. *and the plan for the 2000 bombing (at LAX), Thank god for good old border check lines, Not to point fingers but you could almost give Canada some heat for not stopping that one. But i don't point fingers.*, and what did Clinton do, Jack ****! and we had already been attacked by that time TWICE! if not more *cant remember*

I was all for Bush until he started make some bad mistakes concerning the war in Iraq, more or less the white house in general, never have a Civilian do a Generals job.
Along with a couple other things at home that I don't like about his polices. I'm all for the wars though, just not the way they have been handled

Rkosmic1, dude just stop your noting going to get anywhere talking to people like that.

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there you go again, with that not qualified to speak ****, first off, I've lived in america for half of my life, second 9-11 is more poignant to me than you so don't even talk about that, what do you think makes you more qualified to talk about america anyways? Alot of what you say is obscured cuz your partisan, you simply cannot come up with substantiated facts to defend bush and his administration so you try to attack me personally, what I said was facts what you say is right wing propoganda btw I thought you left a while ago.

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