Neverside

Originally posted by Locke:

lol, ok. You made your point. I'm sorry, ok? I never meant for anyone to feel like that and I do apologize sincerely. Mistakes are mistakes and I made a lot back in those days.

What have you been up to lately, Shawn? It's been a long time.

Last edited by Rad, December 6th, 2007 06:07 AM (Edited 1 times)

I believe the real problem was impatience, not Shawn. All of the great ideas and plans that were made fueled such great interest in all that Neverside would be. Unfortunately, in a project where most of the work was coming from a volunteer's end, the time it would realistically take was unattractive and, in the end, the move happened all too fast.

This board and other applets appear to be a fine piece of software but as a software developer, you have to be aware of losing your customer by upgrading in which the newer software's environment becomes too drastically different on the users end. TF to Neverside were totally different environments; nothing remained similar! Typically sites advance with small evolutions in their designs, not total "tabula rasa" re-designs. TF to Neverside was so drastic that I believe many users were lost in the shuffle. That, coupled with the incompleteness of it and the dragging slowness to even enhance the software's components (i.e. PM system), only further isolated and lost a userbase.

When the leadership of the Neverside project departed (Locke and the mass exodus of others with him) this community was finished. Say what you will about Shawn, but he was a central figurehead and leader at TF/Neverside and was integral to it's makeup.

In the end, it's wrong to point a finger at any one person. With Locke as the figurehead of the whole movement, it's easy to see how the finger will be pointed at him. However, his plans were in the best interest of the community (perhaps his plans were too big for the community) but we cannot blame someone for having ideas of greatness and advancement.

Signed,
Former TF moderator, jerk, bastard, *****, anathema, and user.

the sites fine.

it just needs more uh... people.

ps: hi there everyone

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Geeze man, talk about beating someone when their down. Good to see some old names reappearing on this thread.

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What up, Shadow, Locke, Rad, Hougy. I think plenty of people still pop in.

(p.s. I was lasnaranjas).

Personally I think we'd be much better off if both sides stopped bickering and started being pro-active, but I think NS/TF is far beyond that.

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you didn't say hi to me jerome?

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Neverside merchandise!

Or me. wtf.

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Why are we friends? Srsly...

they say, don't reinvent the wheel.

apparently that had little meaning to us all back then. those where the days of xhtml and css zealots, eh?

those days many of us believe that technical issues were the key of winning the community wars. many of us.

what were we thinking when we are creating *everything* from scratch? maybe we thought that everything except neverAPI was commercial, dirty, unoptimized and plain ugly. maybe we thought that by creating from scratch will make our community times better than others. maybe we were just too focused on code and forgot what the community meant, just at that time.

we were also migrating at an unfortunate time though. right when the development had just started, many kind of new technology paradigms appeared, such as the ajax. these days, a community site has to offer much more than just a plain "upload your art, then get comment" type of community website. the developers might have never thought of implementing those, hence the design looks old compared to the newly revamped DA, for example.

i could go on but i think you got the idea. this was not the developer's and their leader's fault entirely.

my 2 cents.

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What can I say except that, had it to be done all over again, I think the development of NS should've been done alongside TF... I have always wanted a first gen Camaro to fix up. I think it would be a fun project, however, learning from other's who have tried, I have learned that when I do take the leap and get that Camaro... I will need to do it when I have enough resources to support having that car AND my daily driver. It would be a grave mistake to get rid of my daily driver and think I can still restore the car.

Never API seems to be very solid. In fact, I am still impressed by the server load stats reported early on. I think the project should be rejuvenated, if not for here as a commercial product. I am currently using VB and although it is a nice piece of software, it drains the server resources more than I'd like. These forums were optimized to run lean while giving the features you need.

I think the mistake was more about dumping TF so soon rather than anything Shawn did after that. He poured a lot of work and oversight into this and I think had the development been alongside the old TF, we wouldn't be where we are now. No one can vilify Shawn for everything. Dave will probably be the first to tell you that as you continue to get older, have a life, work, etc... you have less time for projects like this. You still want to do your best, but sometimes other things take precedence. It happened when Jeremie stopped coding, it happened when countless others left development before Shawn finally turned the project over... and it has even happened when Dave left the forums for months at a time without reporting back in, etc... Everyone who has ever volunteered for anything here has probably had a hand in missing a deadline or just bailing altogether. I, working on Neverisidian, also missed a few deadlines and eventually was no where to be found.

Anyway, cool to see activity on here a little, good luck to everyone in the future and hopefully one day this place might be restored... as for the software itself. I think someone should pick up the torch and continue to build it with the goals of not being a server hog like all the other solutions out there.

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Originally posted by ShadowXOR:

Locke would be the death of this place.

Nothing could be any closer to the truth, he continually banned people, edited and locked posts,
Locke banned so many people it's not even funny, if you ask me I'd say he banned about 40% of the members over stupid little things, then banned me when I stood up to him, Obviously he cant handle the truth.

He is an ignorant prick.