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Originally posted by Toast:

Centrum multivitamins do have gelatin, I obviously didn't know the brand of my own vitamins (for some reason thought they were Centrum), but they are gelatin free. They are Schiff, if you wanted to further check them out.

Reading the rest of your post makes it completely obvious that you are misinterpreting mine, and this is why I am no longer wasting my time trying to explain myself.

I hope I have at least gotten the only point I was trying to make across: vegetarianism is not "100% stupid". If not, oh well.

I was actually trying to be helpful. I, personally, have no problem with vegetarianism. I don't plan on ever being one, but eh... diffr'nt strokes for diffr'nt folks as the saying goes. I was trying to give you the heads-up in case you were unaware. It's obvious that you care about this a lot and I wouldn't want you to be inadvertantly doing something against your own beliefs. Nobody wants to be a hypocrit, right?

In all of honesty, you just made yourself seem like a guy with a superiority complex. "MEAT = PLASTIC! VEGETABLES = GOD!" was what I'm sure everyone saw in your posts (at least that's what I get from what others have replied). I was trying to figure out exactly how you stood, trying to figure out if I was reading into something that wasn't there or not. I'm still not completely sure, but I guess since you think I think vegetarianism is evil you have no interest in trying to satiate my interests in you POV.

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Originally posted by Toast:

I hope I have at least gotten the only point I was trying to make across: vegetarianism is not "100% stupid". If not, oh well.

Only 99.9%.

plastic really isn't the same thing as meat! where did you anyone get that idea.

it doesn't even LOOK the same.

Oh boy...
Guess I won't be going to bed anytime tonight after reading all this mumbo jumbo.

Scientific fact proves we are omnivores. Our jaw structure and teeth layout proves it. Herbivores mainly have flat grinding molars and no canines. Carnivores have large canines for ripping and killing prey. Well, what do we have? BOTH. Which makes us an omnivore.

Evolution; we evolved from prime apes, closest living relative is the chimpanzee.
Chimpanzees have been known to kill and eat other smaller monkeys, eat insects(a form of meat if you wish, meat is muscle, insect have muscles inside they're exoskeleton).

Our digestive tract also proves we are omnivores. We have a relatively short gut which is common in most carnivores, and an appendix which is similar to caecum found in herbivores.

Our brains, show it to some extent. But I'll leave it at that because I don't have much to back myself up with.

The only possible reasons meat is bad for your health are:

Humans consume way more than they need to survive. Think people who have they're stomach stapled. They went from eating what 3 average people eat to a 1/3 of what an average person eats. Why does he survive without starving? Because that is all we need to sustain ourselves and keep our body functioning properly.

Consuming a lot of red meat leads to heart problems due to the massive amounts of cholesterol and fat.
So yes an all meat diet is bad for you unless you eat with moderation.

The meat itself is perfectly harmless compared to the chemicals and drugs that are in the cells of the meat we are eating.
Cows, chickens, pigs are injected with hormones to fatten up and become meatier. All this lingers inside the muscles well after the meat has been sent to market.

Look at todays youth. My girlfriend's sister is taller than her(5'6") and she's 13. Girls weren't that big 100 years ago, let alone 50 years. It's the additives and chemicals used in the food we eat. And it's not just meat, plants are enhanced with hormones and genetics to create disease and pest resistant varieties, and treated with pesticides and fertilizers. We consume these as well through the plant.

Either way we loose. Unless you grow your own or buy 100% organic, and how do we know it's 100% organic?

Being a carnivore, omnivore, or a herbivore is you're choice and shouldn't be forced onto anyone. You live your life the way you want to, not the way someone else wants you to.

Oh one more thing. How are we anymore cruel to cows being slaughtered than when a lion takes down a zebra by the neck and holds it down until it bleeds or suffocates to death? Yes we do it on a larger scale. But take all the carnivores add them up they all probably kill more than we do for food.

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Okay okay okay...How about we save the animals, and eat the vegetarians? That way EVERYONE IS HAPPY!..well..except for the vegetarians cause they die...eventually....At least they can still eat their veggies. =)

Yeah I know, LAME joke and STUPID beyond reason. Well I'm not a hardcore debator, and I probably shouldn't even be here, but I was curious.

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But seriously, meat can't be compared to plastic. It's completely different.

Originally posted by nano:

But seriously, meat can't be compared to plastic. It's completely different.

in some cases (and certain people within those cases) plastic can be a replacement for meat tho XD

Hmm..Is it not true we need meat to get our protein? I might be wrong, but isn't there a whole thing about amino acids and how vegetables don't have as many as meat so by just eating vegetables you aren't getting enough? Animal proteins have all the essential amino acids, I'm not sure how many vegetables have.

Lol just wondering if my information even means anything. In defense of the vegetarians, don't they receive more energy from their greens cause of trophic levels? That whole energy transfer stuff? Forgive me if I'm getting all this wrong.

Originally posted by Speed:

Look at todays youth. My girlfriend's sister is taller than her(5'6") and she's 13. Girls weren't that big 100 years ago, let alone 50 years.

Sorry, I have to disagree with that... there's always been 'large women'. Just as there's always been small men. In SOME families that may be the case, where the food they eat has led to them being larger than others in the family, or other families in general. But overall, the crap put into food has very little to do with how younger people these days are turning into amazons.

For instance, in my family, we've ALWAYS had balanced diet in our everyday meals. My parents both lived in homes where the diets were balanced, with mix between organicly grown veggies & animals hunted or grown specifically for butchering AND food bought in any grocery store.

All the men in my family (13 yrs +) vary in height and weight, between 5 feet 11 inches and 6 feet 6 inches / 180lbs - 285lbs. All the women in my family (13 yrs +) are varied in height and weight, between 5 feet 2 inches tall and 5 feet 10 inches tall / 90lbs - 150lbs.

My brother is 26, he is 6 feet 2 inches tall and weighs between 265 & 285. He's a weight trainer and bodybuilder. My sister is 17, she is 5 feet 8 inches tall and weighs around 140lbs. She weight trains with my brother. And she's a vegetarian. She hasn't ate meat since she was 12, because when my parents were butchering cows and she didn't know what was happening. My brother took her out to explain and she saw a dead cow in the back of my dads truck and it scared her so badly she hasn't been able to eat meat since.

I am 23, my mom is 47, my grandma is 68, my great grandma is 87 and my other sister is 20 (she is vegetarian too). I am 5 feet 2 inches, mom is 5 feet 3 inches, grandma is 5 feet 7 inches, great grandma is 5 feet 6 inches, sister is 5 feet 4 inches. My neices, ages 13-17 are all between 5 feet 3 inches and 5 feet 6 inches. My brothers fiancee, is 22, 5 feet 6 inches and around 130 lbs, and she is a vegetarian too.

That's 5 generations of men and women, the variations in height and weight between the generations, makes me disagree with your statement. Genetics start it, lifestyle changes it, even the enviroment each person lives in will shape how each person grows. Some people are just born bigger. Some people are born smaller. Other people get fat. Other people stay small. Other people work to be bigger. And the majority of people struggle with all aspects.

Anyways enough rambling, my point; I can't agree with your statement because in my experience each persons lifestyle and enviroment is what shapes that, not the crap they put in food

Last edited by GFXPrincess, August 13th, 2007 10:02 AM (Edited 3 times)