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Originally posted by Rad:

I don't recommend hosting yourself for anything. It won't be anything remotely close to as good as it will be on a web host that has lots of experience. Setting up a server for development is alright, but when you are hosting a website let the experts handle the hosting.

Sorry, but I think this is terrible advice. The experts don't get to be experts by sitting on their butts and not ever trying. If he wants to give it a shot, I say go for it. I'm no expert, but my uptime is pretty damn good. When I started out I didn't have a clue either. Experience is earned, not bought.

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Last edited by actionPlant, September 26th, 2005 06:14 AM (Edited 1 times)

very well said action planet. Thats how we learn by trying new things. But u should get some advice from experts though they know best. I say u should go for it. I would if i didn't have ADSL. Not exactly for a webserver because the upload speed is always capped. Most of the time the webserver is uploading .

Just out of curiousity what kind of connection are we talking to get a decent website up and running

Last edited by schoi, September 27th, 2005 09:18 PM (Edited 1 times)

For now just high speed just to get the hang of it, till I get some members then I will get a T1 or something

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cool i recommend apache and run SELINUX it's meant to tighten security on your linux box.

Originally posted by actionPlant:

Sorry, but I think this is terrible advice. The experts don't get to be experts by sitting on their butts and not ever trying. If he wants to give it a shot, I say go for it. I'm no expert, but my uptime is pretty damn good. When I started out I didn't have a clue either. Experience is earned, not bought.

I think there was a misunderstanding when you read my post. If your application isn't huge scale requiring a server farm then you will be better off paying a professional host. It's not practical to host any serious site alone. Who watches over it while you are sleeping or on vacation? Don't forget you need to apply patches all the time to keep it secure. You can be the greatest server admin in the world but you still won't match the reliability of a company because they have invested lots of money in redundant everything to make sure your site stays online. Take a look at ThePlanet's specs: http://theplanet.com/datacenter.html

Believe me, I am aware of the value of self-teaching If he wants to learn, then go ahead. Just don't do it for a website that matters.

Last edited by Rad, September 29th, 2005 10:41 PM (Edited 2 times)

if you're just hosting a personal site, its a great time to learn how to set up your own server. It won't be any good for hosting other people's sites, but having your own server has a great bunch of perks that would cost good money from a real host.

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If you're going to run the linux route... I'd suggest playing around with linux/shell and becoming familiar with compiling and configuring stuff yourself before hopping right on. Once you know what you're doing there, it'd be much less painful on you, the server, and those in #apache burdened with your questions

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When I first started out I did have periodic bouts of downtime, sometimes it was related to network problems and other times it was out and out hardware, with the occassional power outage.

Just give it a few years. I'm three years into doing this and have excellent uptime, that's from starting out knowing absolutely nothing. I have several paying clients now, and I agree...if I were just starting out I'd probably be in trouble and have no business charging people. After my first month online my router crashed and I was out for three days, another time I had a power surge and was down for quite a while...and then one time I even forgot to pay the ISP bill and was down for another three days. These things happen, and you learn from them.

Now I stay on top of the bill and have personal contacts with my ISP techs on a local level (instead of call-center) who are aware of what I'm doing and how critical it is that I stay online, if I'm having any problems I can call a local tech 24/7 and have them dump their cache for me. I have redundant systems because when a power surge took out my second server I learned the value of having backups. The beauty of Linux is that I was able to simply pull the SCSI card and drive, slap it in a new machine, reboot, find the hardware and I was back online in less than twenty minutes.

SO. Not only do I have two identical routers (with identical configurations), a live modem and a backup modem, and scads of extra backup hardware, but I'm running a UPS that provides power in case of a brownout as well as line conditioning so that I never have to use that redundant equipment: http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm ... AL.APCCountryCode=WW This thing is sweet and well worth it.

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