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War and oil

I noticed something just now that made me laugh. In the last few weeks to a month, Bush's approval rating has tanked. A very high percentage of the populace are against the war. I didn't see much of this when there were no WMD's. I didn't see it rise very steadily when the death toll in Iraq was rising. I didn't see this when enlistees were forced to take a manditory second and even third tour of duty. But recently I've heard a lot of talk about how against the war we are in America, and I kinda came to the question, could skyrocketing oil prices be the reason for many peoples change of heart? I have been against the war from the start. Rationally thinking, the principle reason for us to go there was to protect our oil stores. I'm glad to see that's keeping our prices down at the pump.

I really don't think gas prices have anything to do with it, if they do, then I hate a lot of people.

I personaly think his rating is going down because there hasn't been to much big visable change in Iraq (I know there has been a lot, but nothing very apealing to the mass of the mob).

Another reason is probably because a lot of people on "the right" are getting mad because things aren't getting done very well. They wan't to see a better stratigie and a better plan; I to really don't agree with the current stratigie and things need to worked on a lot harder. My personal opinion is that we shouldn't have gone in in the first place, but we are in there and have to fix what we broke. Really should have just done this when we actualy had the support for it, back in the Gulf War even if it wasn't our mission.

(sorry about the spelling, word is all messed up)

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Im narrow minded, its the muslims fault that they bombed the twin towers in the first place, i see it as they have 100's of miles of desert to go play bombs n seek in but they decide to blow up the twin towers, then madrid, then my home city london (among other places)... they believe in all this anti-western crap when half of them are already influenced by it anyway, they know its never going to change.

And for the oil, i guess thats the price they have to pay for blowing up our cities. Im not sure how much petrol prices are over in the U.S but in the UK is getting near to a pound (£1) per gallon, which is $1.80 give or take.

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Im narrow minded, its the muslims fault that they bombed the twin towers in the first place, i see it as they have 100's of miles of desert to go play bombs n seek in but they decide to blow up the twin towers, then madrid, then my home city london (among other places)... they believe in all this anti-western crap when half of them are already influenced by it anyway, they know its never going to change.

I don't agree with the things they do, but I can't say we shouldn't have suspected things like this to happen. Take a good look into history before you start pointing fingers. ;)

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Oil was not a direct motive for the invasion of Iraq, however, behind closed doors it certainly must have been thought about by our adminstration. The national government keeps much information and even news, in this propaganic media, secret from the citizenry. We don't see and hear everything, and what we do hear is often times false. Although there have not been any direct links made with the war in Iraq and skyrocketing oil prices, I'm certain that a connection exists, and that the masses simply are not learned of it.

If the war in Iraq isn't a factor in rising oil prices, which I'm sure it is, then the Bush Adminstration is to blame either way. Even domestically, our adminstration has made many mistakes. Bush has been in office for the past five years, and oil prices have been radically fluctuating since.

As far as the sterotypical comment towards all Muslims, the lack of knowledge and understanding of American faults, and the ignorance that plasters such reason, thefallen has already addressed his disregard --

Originally posted by thefallen:

Im narrow minded

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Last edited by hydrophilic, August 25th, 2005 07:09 PM (Edited 1 times)

Originally posted by thefallen:

And for the oil, i guess thats the price they have to pay for blowing up our cities. Im not sure how much petrol prices are over in the U.S but in the UK is getting near to a pound (£1) per gallon, which is $1.80 give or take.

Quickly calculating in my head here, I think we pay around three times that price here in Sweden or something. Things surely can get worse in the UK and US, just wait.

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If any of you are watching the Chinese & Russian governments right now, you'd find the answer. Also gas prices (taxes) pay for troops.

In retrospect, Tool, posted an article from the epoch times. The evidence is mounting just a bit too fast for my liking. As many of you know the USA has been the forrunner in superpowers while other superpowers have sat quitely back reorganizing their economies. The USA, like any person who is put in a high position, has a big ego, and has flaunted itself far too long. The reason the people in the USA want the war/peace in Iraq to cease is because the agenda has failed in it's last 3 attempts and the Bush government doesnt know what to do next. The Bush government went there under the guise of Sadam making weapons that would ultimately destroy their enemy, Israel. Israel is protected by the USA, whether you beleive it or not. However, behind closed doors, oil was the agenda and Sadam just an excuse to grab the oil. China wants oil, Russia wants oil. The two combined make a very deadly force for the USA and their allies.

We are coming to a crossroads, which fork to take shall decide the fate for all of humanity.
Please read your news from CNN, Yahoo and any other sources you can gather it from. Put it all together and you too will see the bigger picture.

In Canada they are building ethenal stations to replace gasoline.

Michael Coren is on, got to go.

Edit: back again. ?why is this in the debate forum anyhey?

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Last edited by onelife, August 27th, 2005 12:53 AM (Edited 1 times)

Originally posted by onelife:

In Canada they are building ethenal stations to replace gasoline.

Sorry to go off on tangents, but I don't really see the logic in that. Gasoline is a material composed of hydrocarbons, and ethanol is too a hydrocarbon. I'm not denying that ethanol is a possible replacement for gasoline, its just I'm unsure of the chemical basis which allows for such a substitution. Any links that explain to me what I'm missing would be great.

[edit] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol

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Last edited by hydrophilic, August 27th, 2005 07:22 AM (Edited 1 times)

Off on a tangent, wow, take some b6 dude and eat your wheaties....lol
sorry for my spelling on ethanol, i dont see a difference in the substance matter either, dont recall saying it was any better, but it's made from corn and well corn is alot cheaper, dont you think...lol

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