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Originally posted by Lithiumas:

Originally posted by adam_bomb:

As kickboy said, Microsoft goes out of their way to crush any opposition.

Welcome to the world of business.

Or they buy the company and absorb it and become bigger =) Sounds like Google to me, except google has more even competitors like Yahoo

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Originally posted by adam_bomb:

Originally posted by Phil:

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Yes, MS has made some fairly decent software, such as their Office suite, but it's good to have competition and options. Even though there are other options out there, the majority of people haven't heard of them or know there are.

And thats MS's fault? They have an oligopoly btw, especially in business - a lot use unix stuff for their terminals.

Yeah it is their fault. As kickboy said, Microsoft goes out of their way to crush any opposition. Especially open source projects.

You either think MS has "good business strategy" or you're like me "their an evil empire destroying anything and everything that offers opposition, regardless of it's merit toward the end-user". So pick a side.

That's called capitalism. You would do the same if you had the opportunity.

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Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by adam_bomb:

Originally posted by Phil:

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Yes, MS has made some fairly decent software, such as their Office suite, but it's good to have competition and options. Even though there are other options out there, the majority of people haven't heard of them or know there are.

And thats MS's fault? They have an oligopoly btw, especially in business - a lot use unix stuff for their terminals.

Yeah it is their fault. As kickboy said, Microsoft goes out of their way to crush any opposition. Especially open source projects.

You either think MS has "good business strategy" or you're like me "their an evil empire destroying anything and everything that offers opposition, regardless of it's merit toward the end-user". So pick a side.

That's called capitalism. You would do the same if you had the opportunity.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I wouldn't.

Well, put it this way... Bill Gates isn't a moron. This is certain.
Back in the 70's and 80's when Microsoft was starting off, they were a small buisness, who, at the time, was fighting against IBM. IBM was a large corperation at the time, and still are today. Well, Bill Gates managed to get ahead of them, and steal alot of their buisness. So, Bill Gates realizes how small buisnesses can very easily take down the big guys, and he is afraid of this. He watches his back well.

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That's called capitalism. You would do the same if you had the opportunity.

Yes, which is why I don't think capitalim works, but that's a different debate.
And, no, I wouldn't do it if I had the opportunity. In my opinion it's not morally just.

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Last edited by Kickboy, May 25th, 2005 11:46 PM (Edited 1 times)

if microsoft was competing with ibm, why did ibm use their software? and if they were competing, where did OS/2 come from? now you have me confused... didn't ibm comission microsoft for the PC? ya know, DOS, Windows, ect?
then microsoft didn't steal their buisiness, they helped them grow, by making computing more affordable for the average computer user.

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Yes, which is why I don't think capitalim works, but that's a different debate.

Because it creates a gap between have and have nots? That's also known as market efficiency, although admitidly a monopoly/oligopoly is not the most efficient market type.

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Originally posted by wit:

if microsoft was competing with ibm, why did ibm use their software? and if they were competing, where did OS/2 come from? now you have me confused... didn't ibm comission microsoft for the PC? ya know, DOS, Windows, ect?
then microsoft didn't steal their buisiness, they helped them grow, by making computing more affordable for the average computer user.

When DOS was written microsoft was completely unheard of company. Technically, at the time they weren't even microsoft really. IBM gave them a shot to design DOS, which they did. Won the contract and ever since the two have been competing.

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I admit up front i skimmed through much of this thread. If my point, thought or statements feel redundant:: apologies in advance.

First a little on Bill:
http://www.jmusheneaux.com/9000ff.htm
(kind of impressive history if you ask me)==> What are your personal accomplishments?

For the most part many people who diss or name-flame Microsoft have no clue what they are really angry at or why they are angry with them.

In a nutshell Microsoft is a public corporation.
http://www.microsoft.com/msft/stock.mspx
And public controlled corporations generally operate their business the way the stock owning public see fit.

Microsoft is a financial institution that was founded on a software investment that paid off.
In this tradition Microsoft invests heavily in new and unique technologies. It is these investments and corporate overhead that drive software costs. It cost a lot of money to market the product, to protect the product, to package the product, to ship the product, to support the product... on and on and on.
(All along the way these are paying jobs that feed, cloth and shelter a lot of families.)

It is Microsoft's push to be a leader in software technologies that drive innovation and competition. With out this factor software would not be considered a viable industry and would have gone stagnant long ago.
You would still be using dos based interfaces.

One day when many of you graduate from respectable colleges you will find yourself employed by a large corporation. After all the years of Microsoft name bashing you will be part of that which you have loathed.

Then you will realize the truth:
It is always best to attack the problem and not the person.

For those who still want to go heels with Microsoft:
Shut up.. Go buy a share of Microsoft's stock and then whine to Microsoft from behind your share. Make it count or don't waste your time worrying about it.

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I am fairly happy with my Windows Server 2003 OS. It freezes only very rarely (I can recall only two incidents in two years, and my hardware is a bit shitty). Windows just requires a lot of maintenance to keep running smoothly. You know: a good virus scanner, a good anti-spyware program, Firefox or Opera, a good firewall, something like RamBooster, regular disk defragmentations. etc. If you keep your system clean, I find that it will continue to run that way.

Microsoft does piss me off somewhat because of how crappy Internet Explorer is to code for, and how susceptible it is to viruses in comparison to Mac or Linux.

I have used Windows, OSX, and Linux extensively, and I have to say I love all three... but Windows is just the overall best when I ignore its problems (which are nothing more to me than minor aggravations).

I don't blame them for getting rich... that's what you're supposed to do if you're lucky enough to get the opportunity. Bill Gates was just smart enough to spot the perfect opportunity for him and exploit it.

So, no, I don't hate Microsoft. Their products are better than many care to give them credit for. I will admit, though, that people who aren't good with computers can easily screw their PC up pretty badly. That's because they don't know how to maintain it properly. But, in my case, I take care of things, and my PC never crashes, etc. It runs smoothly, 24 x 7.

In fact, the only major problems I've had with any of my computers in years had to do with a hardware component frying, etc.

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