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Frame problems

Hello all, wondering if you can provide some help. Here is the problem, I have a site built using two frames (I know people hate frames but this is what the guy wanted). One frame is the navigation and the other frame is the content area. There is an intro page, click on the link and it drops you into the index page with the frames pulling the documents. The problem that we are running into is some computers are not displaying the navigation frame and only displaying the content frame which in turn does not allow them to search through the rest of the site. Here is a link to the site if it helps at all [URL:febab07039]http://www.alexanderexhibit.com [/URL:febab07039] . The weird thing is that on these same computers, they will display other sites we have built using frames properly... no problems what so ever. The only difference is that the site having problems only has two frames whereas the other sites have three frames. We have seen this on 2 other computers, all running IE and all will display the other sites correctly. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for any suggestions (besides not using frames) you may have, it is greatly appreciated.

One problem I've experienced before is that some frame names are quite common and if you have more than one window open and more than one frame site, the links can open totally wrong... First advice would be to rename the frames...

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Originally posted by AljapaCo
One problem I've experienced before is that some frame names are quite common and if you have more than one window open and more than one frame site, the links can open totally wrong... First advice would be to rename the frames...

No first advice would to not use frames

I knew someone was going to feel the need to say that. The guy wanted the menu to always be in view at the top of the page, didn't know any other way around it. Not good with CSS (I think you can accomplish this using layers/z-index?) so it seemed like frames was the way to go.

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Originally posted by wookiee2cu
(I know people hate frames but this is what the guy wanted).

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Originally posted by freestyle_web
No first advice would to not use frames

Please read.

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Originally posted by Stevie
Please read.

Hey you idiot, read what the guy posted in the first place
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If a paying client demands frames, thats what they get! Hell, if a paying client would like spinning "under construction" signs in 1600x1200px on the entrance page they will get it as long as I don't have to post my name to it:eek:

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If a paying client demands frames, thats what they get!

Wait, why would you ever do that? If a client of mine demanded something as stupid as that, I would first explain why it would be bad for their business if that's what I did. Maybe, just maybe, if, after I explained everything, they still wanted whatever it is they wanted, I might do it for them. My first instinct, however, would be to tell them to find another web designer.

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Hell, if a paying client would like spinning "under construction" signs in 1600x1200px on the entrance page they will get it as long as I don't have to post my name to it

Why would you not explain to the client why this would be a horrible move to make?

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Wait, why would you ever do that? If a client of mine demanded something as stupid as that, I would first explain why it would be bad for their business if that's what I did. Maybe, just maybe, if, after I explained everything, they still wanted whatever it is they wanted, I might do it for them. My first instinct, however, would be to tell them to find another web designer.

Why would you not explain to the client why this would be a horrible move to make?

Well, I don't know how many clients you've handled, but have you ever heard the phrase "the costumer is always right"!? I prefer to handle my crusades for usability when it doesn't involve me losing money

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I have always had a problem with that phrase.
The customer is always right.

Being in the retail side of real life work for about 11 years now one thing you learn is that no-one appreciates a service blindly offered on the premise of something so apt to cause more problems than good, such as making a policy of the customer is always right.

This will cause so much horrible products to be turned around. I mean really if someone asked for something and you KNEW they didn't know any better, what kind of service are you providing by handing them crap, taking their money and then repeating the process.

And then you usually end up with a one time client...

The customer is #1
Is a more realistic and useful phrase. Show someone you give a crap about what you do and the end result they are walking away with. Take a few minutes to explain the different options and why they are better and never ever take on a client/project that you will be too embarrassed to take credit for.

This kind of practice only leads to the success of people like me. I understand the market on web design and how ridiculously overpriced certain sites are, especially for the quality of the work. I surf the net through source code about 25% of the time and most of the time I keep the source open when I am at a site where i am sure someone paid 3 grand for a five page piece of crap.

Then I take it upon myself to contact such a person who has basically been swindled for not knowing any better and I can charge 3 to 4 times less still make a decent amount of money and walk away knowing that not only did I make someone understand the value of choosing someone for a job but I can guarantee repeat business or referrals. And the best part is it ends up being a two hour job because Joe Schmuck who already built the crap version provides all the content needed..

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As for the original inquiry, there a few techniques to templating your site without using frames. Php probably being the easiest one and you really do not need to know much about it to use the include function to make a decent working template.

Some peoples browsers just cannot view frames though I have never had that experience so I am not sure if you would veiw just the main frame or nothing at all...

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Originally posted by Mr. Stilts
Some peoples browsers just cannot view frames though I have never had that experience so I am not sure if you would veiw just the main frame or nothing at all...

All they see is whats inside the <noframe> tag. So if you put an alternate version with for example an included menu you can work around this if there really is a "need" for using frames.

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