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they should just fix IE then make a huge announcement that the others are messed up and everyone needs to download the new one or something else.

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That's really stupid. CSS being some obscure thing? BS! CSS is great and I love PNG as well, but no, I can't put them in my sites because Microsoft's a *****!

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Originally posted by freestyle_web
Open Os's like linux run way better than microsofts billion dollar company. They rush and try to release stuff as soon as possible.

Sure, but the majority of peoples businesses run on what? Windows, why? becasue there is so much software for it that they can get their job done fast and easy. So what if they rush to release stuff, sure its cool that its free, but its not what microsofts about, they are a very sucessful company, no matter what anyone says. You all know, that if you could, you yourselves would rather own Microsoft rather than Redhat Linux.

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Originally posted by GsVi-Slick
Actually the mojority of people here probably use alternatives to IE, because that software isnt good enough for us.

Sure, they probably use alternitives to IE, heck, i use firefox. If so, why does this problem even matter to you?

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Originally posted by xerodark
they should just fix IE then make a huge announcement that the others are messed up and everyone needs to download the new one or something else.

Its not that easy, they have to develop it first, then promote it, it just doesnt happen in one night, it takes time to fix it.

I mean really people, do you really think that Bill Gates is out to kill all your computers? Hes not, hes running a company, and he seems to be good at it.

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I don't care about IE, I use firefox. My next site is going to make very much use of the PNG file format.

There's always one M$ defender...

Anyways, this guy doesn't speak for all of the IE development team. Most of them are atleast semi-aware of web standards and intend to implement that in the next release.

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Originally posted by eric6889
Hey are they going to fix the box model on IE 7?

It's already fixed in IE6. Save some weird float issues with lists.

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Yeah, well at least some people at MS are listening to the masses of web designers. IE7 may have tabbed browsing support, and will most likely have full png and css support, if we get lucky.

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Originally posted by PolishKid
That's really stupid. CSS being some obscure thing? BS! CSS is great and I love PNG as well, but no, I can't put them in my sites because Microsoft's a *****!

That still doesn't mean it isn't obscure to 90% of web users out there. Ask around, people who just use the internet for fun / email / business about what they know about CSS, most wont have a damn clue, and touting things like "Full CSS 2 support" will mean very little to naught to them.

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It's already fixed in IE6. Save some weird float issues with lists.

Stupid god damn random whitespace in IE grrr :mad:

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Last edited by angelessme, August 9th, 2004 03:35 PM (Edited 1 times)

I think one thing that most people, especially on TF need to get through their thick heads is this:

The most applicable population sample for 'how much do people care about _____ on the internet' questions is a general crowd. Yes, that means the druggies who come on MSN to chat about the latest party, the people who speak ebonics on their blogs, and people who are all the rave about all-in-one printers.

Most of the 'applicable sample' doesn't give a crap about web standards. Yes, they are important. But to argue that they are a marketing point for browsers, or any other internet company is just absurd.

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It doesnt matter if they can use the webstandards as a marketing point or not. What matters is if they include them. Just because people dont know about something doesnt mean it is acceptable to give them an inferior product. There is absolutely no reason for Microsoft to ignore web standards with the new release of IE. If they really want to grab ahold of and retain their 'market share' as far as browsers go, they will make IE 7 the best browser they can. If full standards support is not included, all of us nerds will happily continue to use alternative browsers because they will undeniably be a superior browser. Standards support is hugely important, whether you know about it or not.

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PEOPLE!! Read the article again.. that quote that the orignal poster had ISN'T someone who works for Microsoft OR someone who has ANYTHING to do with the development of the new IE.. read it again..

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"The truth is that consumers aren't going to worry about things like CSS and PNG support," said Robert Iliad, a developer who is participating in the feedback process.

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On its IE Blog and Channel 9 wiki, the company has aggressively encouraged end users and developers to spell out what should be done with the world's most widely used browser, And the feedback has been flowing in