Neverside

eye opener

Wow those site are really good!!! Thanks for the info.

I feel so out of thouch... lol.

I already requested that this book be kept on hold in my school library: HTML utopia : designing without tables using CSS / by Dan Shafer.

Again your info has been the most constructive feedback I have ever received. - I need to catch up!

- leblanc

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lol... Thank you.

Although it is nothing wrong at all with your designing skills from what I can see. I'm just trying to give you more ideas

/Spater

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Neversidian, your staff is broken.

horizontal scroll on 1280x1024....something very wrong about that one pal..

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Morbid Beauties

Hmm. The main page looks great at 1600x1200 ( the true designer resolution ) but it fills up my browser window entirely meaning it's WAY too big. I won't go further on this as many people have already told you about the evils of designing for such a large screen rez.

You portfolio page is not as attractive and, in many cases, the font is way too large. Even at 1600x1200...

Everyone talks about the glories of XHTML/CSS development but in all actuality the effort required to make a complete website that looks good in all browsers using CSS is extraordinary. For now focus on moving your site to simple tables and use as much CSS as possible, then move to divs.

I have nightmares about "float: right;" and "clear: left;" so that should give you an indication of the traumatic experience a completely tableless design can be. A large part of the problem is that the most popular browser out there is also not very CSS friendly...

Good luck.

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Originally posted by Radley
Too big. (file size and dimensions)

Yeah, Radley said it! ^^

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divs and css

digitalaorta has summarized my next steps on my site. Move away from using tables and use css. Like I told Spater: I checked out HTML utopia : designing without tables using CSS / by Dan Shafer from my school library.

So Far I'm already using external CSS. I'm hoping the book progresses to more advanced things you can do CSS....

If anybody can list some advance things you can do with css other than changing properties in an external document like font and color...please let me know so I can look for that when i'm reading the book.

Also I'm being told not to use iframes. How do I bring data from other pages into my design with out using some type of frame.
Would I have to create a page including everything like my design and with the content on it using a div. If thats the case that kinda sucks because with frames I can import data into the exact place...whats so wrong with that.

From what I understand about divs is that all it doing is layering your page. z-index 1,2,3,4,5,6 to infinity layers(i think theres a limit which you'll never get to) So whats so good about divs.

Now if you integrate php with CSS(if you can design without tables) I can see how you could use :
(following are different methods to include a different file into the current file)
include
require
include_once
require_once

to replace an iframe. Because I can make a table or in this case CSS table and use and include to include my other html document

Heres my plan: I don't think CSS is going take me to long to learn.
what sites or what books do you recommend digitalaorta to learn about divs

What I've decided since digitalaorta said that my portfolio page was not as attractive as my first page. Is that here is where I will practice with Divs and CSS Its not a large portfolio so it shouldn't take long.

For Now I'll keep reading to book about CSS and learn about tables hopefully I can get some help on finding out about DIV tags.

If anybody know how to include external files into a currently viewed file like a frame or iframe can do ....please let me know... If you think my way of thinking is old please suggest what new ways there are in doing this same effect....

- leblanc

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digitalaorta has summarized my next steps on my site. Move away from using tables and use css. Like I told Spater: I checked out HTML utopia : designing without tables using CSS / by Dan Shafer from my school library.

Very good decision!

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So Far I'm already using external CSS. I'm hoping the book progresses to more advanced things you can do CSS....

You shall always aim to have an external css file. Having it inside the html document will remove the base idea of css designing.

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If anybody can list some advance things you can do with css other than changing properties in an external document like font and color...please let me know so I can look for that when i'm reading the book.

All the links I gave in my first post should be able to sum that up. It would simply take way to long for me to post all the good stuff you can do with css. Not to say it would be stupid to do it when as said all of them are in the links

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Also I'm being told not to use iframes. How do I bring data from other pages into my design with out using some type of frame.
Would I have to create a page including everything like my design and with the content on it using a div. If thats the case that kinda sucks because with frames I can import data into the exact place...whats so wrong with that.

Since if you code a site correctly with css and divs then the document usually don?t look more complex then this between the body tags: (just a little bit more of it)

Code:

<ul id="something1">
<li class ="menuclass"><a href="#linkhere"></a></li>
<li class ="menuclass"><a href="#linkhere"></a></li>
<li class ="menuclass"><a href="#linkhere"></a></li>
<li class ="menuclass"><a href="#linkhere"></a></li>
</ul>
<div class=?something2?>blahblah</div>

?it shouldn?t be that bad to have one page for each part of the site. (Since the images and the design css is already loaded and won?t have to load again)

Reasons why iframes aren?t that great that you might think they are at first is because of several reasons and I don?t know them all but I can share some that is usually discussed on here:

If someone comes to your site trough a search engine (i.e. google) then it will usually links to the content. If the content isn?t in the same link as the design/menu then all they will see is a plain text document and most likely leave without even looking for a way to get to the main page.
Also they load much slower then the main frame page.
They simply brakes your site up in more pieces then healthy and then needed.

If you feel that the suggestion I gave is far from enough then I suggest you to look at some php or similar (usually php) to solve the headache without nasty iframes.

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From what I understand about divs is that all it doing is layering your page. z-index 1,2,3,4,5,6 to infinity layers(i think theres a limit which you'll never get to) So whats so good about divs.

Here is a div in pure code?

Code:

<div></div>

? And here is a table in pure code:

Code:

<table>
<tr>
<td>
</td>
</tr>
</table>

As you may see you would get the code so much more flexible and so much cleaner. Another thing is that with divs (witch isn?t anything more then containers), is that they don?t tell anything about how or where the content (if any of course) between the div tags shall be. It leaves that for the css file. In other words, when it is time to redesign your site you won't have to touch the html code to do the job. If you use tables then you will work mostly with that. The reason for that is because the tables is deciding how and where the content shall be and just leaves simple futures of the css such as text and link colors to spare.

Layer heights is also controlled by the css file and you are usually not using that to much either. You have been getting the wrong image of divs. You use layers when you want the content in XXX div to be above the content in XXXX div. It isn?t harder then that. Your current design would not have to use any layer heights from what I can see tough.

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Now if you integrate php with CSS(if you can design without tables) I can see how you could use :
(following are different methods to include a different file into the current file)
include
require
include_once
require_once

to replace an iframe. Because I can make a table or in this case CSS table and use and include to include my other html document

Exactly, just remember to exchange the tables with a div instead. I can?t say anything about the php code really because I?m not as hot on that topic as others here are but I think that should be the way kind of.

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Heres my plan: I don't think CSS is going take me to long to learn.
what sites or what books do you recommend digitalaorta to learn about divs

Css/divs is piece a cake . Good sites as mentioned before are the ones I linked to in my first post on this thread (then you can follow the links trough those pages for even more css/divs knowledge).

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What I've decided since digitalaorta said that my portfolio page was not as attractive as my first page. Is that here is where I will practice with Divs and CSS Its not a large portfolio so it shouldn't take long.

Nothing to say about this quote? I just had to quote them all

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For Now I'll keep reading to book about CSS and learn about tables hopefully I can get some help on finding out about DIV tags.

Once again just follow the light (links in my first post usually works). Stay away from tables unless it is tabular data, forums or similar.

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If anybody know how to include external files into a currently viewed file like a frame or iframe can do ....please let me know... If you think my way of thinking is old please suggest what new ways there are in doing this same effect....

If you give Mr. Search button a click and search for it then I?m sure you will find more hits then you can handle on a week

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- leblanc

/Spater:p

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Last edited by Simon, March 27th, 2004 05:20 PM (Edited 1 times)

Wow is back

Give thanks to those that encouraged me to switch to CSS - especially Spater

Because of CSS I'm able to satisfy chenu who a while back posted:
" Make the site smaller so it fits on most screens"
and
"Maybe use a better font"

I haven't changed my personnel site....(working on my new clever design)...

What I have changed is my business site found at www.xposure.us to completely CSS.
It use to look like this: http://people.tamu.edu/~leblanc/Xposure/old.html

read my article about reasons for change: http://www.xposure.us/Articles/XposureRenovates.html

Now it stretches nicely to accommodate all browser sizes. even 640x480

Chenu tell me whether you like the font or not... from 1 css page I control all the fonts on all pages so if I decide to change the font to whatever chenu requests, changes can be applied to all pages in a matter of seconds.

Spater - right click anywhere on the website you can see that images are limited. so load time should be quick.

well tell me what ja think.

Whenever I make the changes to my personnel site...I'll post here again.

note: I had to use a different username because.....long story...I need to get in contact with an admin

- leblanc meneses

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http://www.xposure.us/Leblanc/V1/index.html

forgot list of other CSS pages I've designed

I forgot to list other CSS pages I've designed for a department I'm working for:

still in designing stages:
http://aggieculture.tamu.edu/dti/DMS/intro_blocks.html
http://aggieculture.tamu.edu/dti/DMS/
http://aggieculture.tamu.edu/dti/DMS/intro_blocks2.html

finished site: I designed it how i liked it at first however they asked me to make changes on colors and such and now it's less appealing to me anyways but thats how they like it...so...argggg

http://aggieculture.tamu.edu/erase/
http://aggieculture.tamu.edu/excel/ExcelDirectory.html

if you type lmeneses on google i come in 2nd and 3rd... thought that was pretty kewl.

thats it

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http://www.xposure.us/Leblanc/V1/index.html

updates have been made to www.xposure.us
I'll be changing www.xposure.us/Leblanc/V1 - probably in a month...as xposure is my priority.

I'll post an article on "How to choose a website company"

Still working on the title but so far that will be the default.

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