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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tool[/i]
[B]Let me ask you this, do you believe in God?
If so then God/Religion is some what responsible for SOME seperation. BUT who is within the religion "people are", who chooses to follow religion "people" who believes religion "people".
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thats thinking outside the box?lmao give yourself a pat on the back. I don't see these people you talk about going to war on behalf of their beliefs. Sometimes religion can be a catalyst for hate as opposed to a deterrent. It can cause intolerance and Oppression against other religions, gays,
women, can entice dogmatic disregard for certain scientific theories, judgmentalism and contempt, moral codes that limit pleasure or happiness, arrogance about the status of themself in the universe...etc

In the past and leading on to the present, wars have been fought in the name of God, and genocide has occured. But, I'm not saying religion is a completely bad thing, on the other hand you have people like Ghandi, Martin luther king who had deep religious convictions and helped promote peace. And for every 1 violent religious zealot theres probably 100 peaceful God-loving people. So ultimately it will be the person's choice unless their brought up in a homogenous religious environment and are basically brainwashed, but religion can certainly act as an impetus.

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Mace Windu thrown outta a window... I guess he shouldn't have given Padme that foot massage. P.S. If you haven't seen Star Wars Episode III do NOT read the previous sentence.

Something like this would have to be so distant because time seems so young.

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Originally posted by paolo1234567891
I personally don't believe it, it was suppose to be 2000 THEN they said because, we didn't start keeping the date at 1 or 0 or something so now he shouldve came in 2001. If you ask me, religion causes war and seperation.

Matthew 25:13
"Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming. "

The Son of Man is Jesus the Christ, That verse in the NT says that nobody but the Father (God) knows the day and the hour in wich Jesus will come.

It could be tonight or tomorrow, or 100 years from now.

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Originally posted by p5yCh0
id like to see references, outside the bible, that there was a jesus, son of god. there arent many and of the few that are, most have been proven forgeries. there was a box discovered that says james brother of jesus. but jesus and james were common names back then, but only important people were ever listed on a burial box. but as i said before james and jesus were both common names back then.

Then get the case for Christ, this was written by a man who was an athiest turned Christian after searching into this whole thing

That one is not really convincing.

Probably this Jesus guy existed, and he was a pretty nice person and went around, healed people and such.
When you talk about it, it grows larger, until Jesus finally was a god. That he lives is the only thing that might possibly be proven, but people at this time were so easy to convince, that you really can not use statements from those who believed in him.
I also read somewhere, that Jesus used Weed for his Wonders, healing pain and so on.

You won't ever know about Jesus, about God, about whatever, so people that try to convince me by posting Bible statements just waste their time. The Bible is written and edited by men.

You may believe, but there just is no proof of any kind.
Though I don't believe in total Atheism.
In my opinion you will never know.

Another deal:

I haven't met any smart person in my life, that ever suddenly started believing in god.
Everybody I know, that believes truely in god, was raised that way.

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Originally posted by Cweb
Jesus the Christ

I swear to god he should be a rapper...

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"I once knew a man who said death smiles at us all;
All a man can do is smile back."

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Originally posted by Tool

Yea and I just love how you took what I said out of context!

You should open your eyes

How did I take that out of context? You told people they were wrong for their belief and then told everyone to have an open mind. That is the most hypocritical religious debate staple of all time.

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Originally posted by Tool

If that was true then why do people stop believing? Why are there more then just a few religions and why do they keep growing and changing if we are so blind and stubern to sway another way? Look at me, not long ago I was totally against religion/Christianity, now look at me now I'm starting to believe in it! just as I was able to stop believing in it.

If your statement is true then you would never change your beliefs would you? You would stay just the way you are with your beliefs, right? Or does that only apply to us Narrow mined Christians?

I said the RELIGIOUS, meaning people devoute in their faith. I didn't say religion, pointing to christianity. Nor did I suggest that people never started and stopped believing in things. I said it's impossible to _make_ the RELIGIOUS change their minds. It is something we all must decide ourselves. It's an internal struggle which can not be won from the outside. Showing a priest a carbon dating report that says the shrowd is only half the age it's supposed to be will only make him dig deeper into his religious standing and search for answers there. However if that same person found that information out for themselves perhaps they would be more open to the idea of it. The situation also works vice-versa here, as in proving the shrowd is authentic to an atheist. Religion is a battle of self. That is how people get, lose, and maintain their beliefs.

(Not saying that external information and arguments don't make a difference, they do. But the majority of the decision is from the individual.)

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Last edited by adam_bomb, May 26th, 2004 11:59 AM (Edited 1 times)

you say we don't beleive because we don't want to be accountable, thats stupid. If he did exist, and we didn't beleive we are still accountable, if he doesn't we aren't. - anyone who has any bit of logic can figure that out.

OK - so if every other person wrote a bible, talked about their god, etc - you would have to beleive all of them or your probably screwed, its not like athiests go around and are like "if i don't beleive i wont be accountable, so im going to go kill everyone and have fun wtf lolz god dont got root on me!", but they figure - there is a slim possibility that some omnipotent being with a cape and a staff watching us in the clouds and the heavens, who made us all and if we don't do exactly as he says, which guess what - goes along with what would be perfect for law and the king.

there is a lot of proof jesus did exist, and that he got pwned for opening his mouth, discovery channel pretty much said he got wacked and there is more evidence that is much much more deceiving than the bible made it seem.

What im wondering is, if there is set reactions to chemicals, couldn't we predict the reactions in our brains and bodies and predict our movement and reactions to everything, couldn't it be possible to calculate everything we think and do, so if god created us wouldn't all our actions forever, so (s)he can't blame us for what we think, couldn't it be calculated that I beleive that it can? There are people who can look at people at tell them more about them then they know themselves, if we had the science and technology couldnt we take it further?

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how do you weigh human life?

Greetings,
More than likely I will be flamed for some of the things that I say. I can't make any apologies for what I say comes from God not man.

Most of the people in this world (as is evidenced by the replys) are clueless about the truth.

First confusion is the word Religion where it applies to Jesus. Sorry but nothing could be further than the truth. All of mans "Religions" were started in principle my mortal men EXCEPT for what is loosly called Christianity.

Buddah is dead, Mohammed is dead, Jim Jones is dead, David Korash is Dead .... Jesus on the other had is ALIVE.

God says that if you seek Him you will find Him and those that actually find Him have an incredible life altering experience. None that can even be described. It's as if you spend your life looking through a stocking with gravel in it and suddenly it's removed and the clarity that comes is almost overwhelming.

With Jesus you get a RELATIONSHIP. A relationship that will last forever. Religion trys to change a person from the outside with rituals, and rules and regulations.

With Jeus it's totally different. The Holy Spirit takes up residence and the believer starts getting changed from the inside out. There is unspeakable joy.

I was where many of you were about a decade or so ago. I was hopelessly confused the Bible made no sense, Religion made no sense but I had an opinon and I thought I was pretty smart. I was raised a Catholic. Well when that didn't work, I tried studying Witchcraft and Demonology, went from there to Astrology, then Eastern Religions, Agnosticism and finally for a while athiesium.

How could God exist and let the world be in the state its in?

Since then God has humbled me quite a bit and showed me just how little I really did know.

God has unconditional love for us. The Greek word for that is Agape. When a believer trusts God completely and can walk in that kind of love then there is no fear at all about any situation.

What's the worst that can happen.. you die? Well for me that's like someone coming down to the dungeon where I live and saying OK now you can come up and play in the mansion. Boo hoo I have to leave the dungeon. I'm soooo sad ..............NOT!

The unconditional Love that's described in the 13th Chapter and fourth verse of a book in the bible called 1st Corinthians

Love

1If I speak in the tongues[1] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[2] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails.

If a believer is walking with the Holy Spirit and the walk is in that Agape love that only God can project through us the the question is... What rule or commandent can you break when you are kind, patient, not envious and forgiving? What war do you want to start? What Item do you want to steal? What wife to you want to seduce? What person do you want to kill? What slanderous statment do you want to make?

A number of years shy of 2000 (Jesus was 33 when he was Crucified for our sins and John was around 80 when he wrote the Book of Relevation) on the Island of Patmos an inspired writing, was penned. A book filled with prophecy. God knows the future. He already knows the ending to our little world.

Most of the prophecies have come to pass. There are a few that are still out at this moment. I see the prophecies in Revelation like the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle floating in space some have been placed on the table some are still floating above. There are NOT that many that remain and I gleefully await their passing. The sooner the better.

We may not know the day or the hour, but we can know the seasson. You can look up and tell that it probably will rain.. depending upon the conditons. It's the same with the end times.
We are getting close, and we are closer than we have ever been before. (gee no kidding time keeps marching on) anyway

None of the Religious wars have been started by TRUE believers. True believers are too happy about what's coming to even consider going to war. Did Jesus ever say if the going gets tough then get out your sword and start hacking away?

Nope he never said that. He said many things. One statement He made was "My Kingdom is NOT of this world."

If anyone truly seeks God you will find Him I promise. It's not too late to start that wonderful relationship.

Read your Bible and ask for understanding. Accept Jesus as your Savior and have the Holy Spirit reveal the Word of God like it's never been revealed to you before.

You will never regret it. Until you do the Bible will really make no sense to you.

Many regards,

wiz