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The United States and God

I've been hearing a lot about people making trials and doing these outragous things to get rid of God in the United States. Like this one woman made a trial to get a religious statue removed out of the state of Alambama because it offended her.

People are wanting to remove the 'In God We Trust' logo from money, and removing 'one nation under god' from the pledge of allegiance.

With my religious beliefs/non beliefs at the moment, I'm kind of stuck in the middle with this situation.

A part of me is saying that this country was built on God. That was hundreds of years ago, and people are actually concidering taking 'God' out of the United States now, for several people just because it is 'offending them'. What about the people who believe in God? Won't they be offended when such content is removed? And really, how offencive can it be?

But then another part of me that is struggling with my belief in God, is thinking, how could they say that this nation is 'under God', when in fact, thousands, if not more dont believe in God? If it was 'one nation under satan' or 'in satan we trust' the people who believe in god would be offended just like people do now, and would fight to get it removed.
Or with the pledge schools make the children say in the moring. What if they dont believe in god and dont think they should say the pledge? At my school you have to say the pledge.
Whoes to say what is right or wrong?

Just my views.. what are yours?

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It's tradition. Putting God (practically) everywhere is a tradition. Y'know, like the thanksgiving turkey. If they change the pledge, the money, they'll also have to change the national anthem. It's actually 3 parts, though more traditionally sung only in the first part. Part of the second verse:

And conquer we must when our cause is just
And this be our motto:in God is our trust.

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Re: The United States and God

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Originally posted by toxic dollie

A part of me is saying that this country was built on God. That was hundreds of years ago, and people are actually concidering taking 'God' out of the United States now, for several people just because it is 'offending them'. What about the people who believe in God? Won't they be offended when such content is removed? And really, how offencive can it be?

I'm not an American, and even I know that the majority of the founding fathers were actually Deists and not Christians.

In my opinion it should be removed, the state can't be seen to be supporting one religion over another, in my opinion the only model that works is a secularized one. All people should be free to practive their chosen religion, and American muslims, for instance, shouldn't have the Christian god shoved down there throats, especially not by the state itself, which should be impartial in such matters.

Then again, George Bush has already proven that he is incapable of grasping the significance of church - state seperation, after his astonishing comments that American athiests 'Aren't patriots', and that they 'shouldn't be considered citizens'. Amazingly, he actually said that. This man is the president of the world's only super power, what he does has massive ramifications for the rest of the world, yet when he goes around making an idiot of himself like that, one has to wonder what we're all in for with such an incopotent person in such an influencial job.

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Originally posted by Arctic
Then again, George Bush has already proven that he is incapable of grasping the significance of church - state seperation, after his astonishing comments that American athiests 'Aren't patriots', and that they 'shouldn't be considered citizens'. Amazingly, he actually said that. This man is the president of the world's only super power, what he does has massive ramifications for the rest of the world, yet when he goes around making an idiot of himself like that, one has to wonder what we're all in for with such an incopotent person in such an influencial job.

You do realize that was George Bush Sr. right? As far as I can remember (and I google'd it to make sure), George W Bush, the present leader of the US, has never said that atheists shouldn't be considered citizens.

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Well, I read a site that repeatedly said George W, but it of course could have been incorrect. I'll go and check, either way it's still disturbing.

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Originally posted by Arctic
Well, I read a site that repeatedly said George W, but it of course could have been incorrect. I'll go and check, either way it's still disturbing.

I looked at several sites from google (typed in (with quotations) "George Bush atheists") and it only mentioned Sr. and the year I believe it was 1988. Too early to be GW

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The odd thing is, I also did a google, and got George W on the first site I visited.

After reading your post, I did another google, and came up with this: http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/aa011.htm, which pretty much confirms your point. It was daddy Bush rather than Junior who said that. That's still disturbing though, as presumably the values which George Bush Senior holds will have been instilled in his son as well.

If someone said something like that down here they would get lynched. How could he say something like that and get away with it?

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When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord doesn?t work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me.
-Emo Philips

Another reason why I think America is the least free country in the western world...it must suck for athiest like myself. It would be depressing...

I remember that quote from Dubya too...cant remember where from...some quotes site I think...

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gota go with what toxic dollie said...
I think that this is somethign that is being a bit to worried about, and some of it is just plain stupid. If they where out there figting about people comeing to their doors and trying to give you a bible... ok i understnad how thats basicly shoveing it down your throught. Why off the doller? sure its used everday but do you really seat there and look at your cash? *except when in large bills:)*
takeing it out of the pledge, Ehh im kinda if'e on this one just cus it has good points on both sides, but if you think its wroung, i ask plz when you stand to 'sing' it put your hand over your heart just dont sing it, it shows that you have respect, for the the people that fought to make this contry possible.
the statue thing. im also mixed a bit on this. But then its like whats next takeing the cross off the chearches because you dont like it and you can see it?

for all the people out there that are all anti on the word (god) for the christians. and you think you have it sooo bad. well think agian! I am forced to go to chearch ever sunday. have you not that i am one of them people that is not sure there is a god or not (forgot what ya call it)... yes my parents know this too. but i am still forced to go. but hey i still pay respect to the people in the chrearch and all .. i just dont sing.

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lol religion is dead in america anyways... and i dont mind others being religious (nor do i mind them trying to stuff it down my throat, because it doesnt matter to me, since i'll never join their relgious views)... but in any case, i never had a second thought about "In God we Trust" in the anthem or on the dollar until people started making a deal about it... me being a moderate anti-religious person (because i hate the term "Atheist"... sounds so organized like "Christian") i am not affected by it...

now, when religious people start trying to have it tought in school/stop the teachings of science/make second class citizens out of those not a member of their stupid religious group/etc., thats when i get pissed...

add: i also got EXTREMELY pissed right after 9/11 when i was flipping through the channels and passed across one of the ignored religious channels but instead of the usual person advertising their religion, they were showing old videos of military exercises and training and were saying "we must use our military and technological knowhow to overpower and wage a christian crusade against the muslims"...

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Last edited by panzershreck, December 21st, 2003 03:16 PM (Edited 1 times)