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Originally posted by proweb
i always though mb/s was a rate not a size :confused:

Guessing isnt much good, in my opinion a host which has a file size limit stated as "no big files" but did not define what "big" is shouldn't exist!

for all we know "big" could mean 50kb!! and as you dont define "big" it could be that.

as Stewis said, "i like the idea of you pay for it you should beable to use it so why do you have file size limitations?" ...... the customer pays for 10GB space, they should be allowed to use that as they want aslong as everything stored within that space is legit and is allowed by the host.

Chris

business. how many people are seriously going to use 10GB? very few. That's like one download per file per month, period. Bigger files make sure the bandwidth and space is actually used, and they can't resell the unused space at a profit. Thus, no big files = inflated space quote. Heck, to get a full 10GB of stuff on there, you'd have to use up a whole month of bandwidth. And seriously, what could you do with 10GB/10GB that would be legit? MP3's? Doubtful. Anime? The BW would be used up too soon for all 10GBs to be used.

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Originally posted by koko775
business. how many people are seriously going to use 10GB?.

Quite a few. I'm assuming from this response that you are assuming hes overselling also?

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Originally posted by koko775
That's like one download per file per month, period. Bigger files make sure the bandwidth and space is actually used, and they can't resell the unused space at a profit. Thus, no big files = inflated space quote. Heck, to get a full 10GB of stuff on there, you'd have to use up a whole month of bandwidth. And seriously, what could you do with 10GB/10GB that would be legit? MP3's? Doubtful. Anime? The BW would be used up too soon for all 10GBs to be used.

Again you are assuming the person is overselling. its quite easy to fill up 10GB of space and keep it 100% legit, for example i could make a backup of my hard drive and remove all "big" files. (if the remaining files were a total of 10GB or less)

Doing something like a backup would easily fill up the users 10GB of space and as it would more than likely NOT be viewed by the public bandwidth shouldnt be to much of a problem, apart from the fact you could only either upload or download once per month if using all 10GB. this example is just one that would make your comment false.

Chris

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if video games affected us as children, then we would all be running around in dark rooms, munching magical pills and dancing to repetitive music!

then wouldn't it be better advertised as online storage or webspace than the "a domain
unlimited pop3 accounts
unlimited mysql accounts
unlimited subdomains for your site
php and asp support"?

how many sites, not personal backups seriously use that much space? Very few, because if they expect any downloads, they'll have to pay for more bandwidth.

And overselling is not a bad thing. As long as the customers have space and bandwidth, i doubt anyone would have an objection, especially at $3. Besides, the most practical way of backing up is not doing it through ftp or the web, either. Those who are technically inclined and able to do such likely have other means, and those who aren't won't know which files to back up.

my statements stands and is not false. No statement is ever 100% correct, but the vast majority of people are not going to want the complicated mysql stuff and php etc. unless they want a site, and a site will never use 10GB of space with only 10GB of bandwidth to use it on.

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Originally posted by koko775
how many sites, not personal backups seriously use that much space? Very few, because if they expect any downloads, they'll have to pay for more bandwidth.

Using 10GB of space doesnt mean you are going have downloads though does it? my answer to your question - how many sites, not personal backups seriously use that much space? would be quite a lot, all of the personal sites that i own currently use more than 10GB space, a lot of people i know have personal sites using a lot more than 10GB bandwidth

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Originally posted by koko775
And overselling is not a bad thing.

I would say it is, but that can be left as everyone will have a different view on that

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Originally posted by koko775
As long as the customers have space and bandwidth.

i have 1 thing to say:

lets start offering unlimited space / transfer etc.... as long as the users have space and bandwidth we will be fine!!

Chris

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if video games affected us as children, then we would all be running around in dark rooms, munching magical pills and dancing to repetitive music!

There are PLENTY of personal sites using over 10GB of bandwidth. How many of them have an equal amount of space and use it all? I challenge you to find me an example.

Overselling, increases profit (if done properly) without affecting the customers at all. It is not illegal and it does not impace the customers if done right. However, you might have a moral objection to making sure that they always have the space, instead of just buying more as the actual total goes closer to the max on the drive.

And offering unlimited bandwidth and space is stupid, because the sites that really need it will abuse that.

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Originally posted by koko775
There are PLENTY of personal sites using over 10GB of bandwidth. How many of them have an equal amount of space and use it all? I challenge you to find me an example.

I own 1 site (forum only) currently using 100MB (approx) of space with NO downloads on the server that uses around 9GB of bandwidth and that is text only... no images at all. This is again just 1 example.

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Originally posted by koko775
Overselling, increases profit (if done properly) without affecting the customers at all. It is not illegal

if you think about it, it DOES NOT increase profit... you offer more for less and HOPE the users dont use it... if all users used the full quota then the compnay would probably go out of business.

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Originally posted by koko775
And offering unlimited bandwidth and space is stupid, because the sites that really need it will abuse that.

that was used as an example, this thread is a perfect example also. Look at the advertisement and read the comments.

in my opinion its like buying a quad xeon 3.0GHz server and not being allowed to run programs which use a "large" amount of resources. My point is if you pay for that quad xeon 3.0Ghz server you should be able to use it however you want! if you want to go use software that eats up your processor resources then go for it!

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if video games affected us as children, then we would all be running around in dark rooms, munching magical pills and dancing to repetitive music!

ok guys thx for those post, i just wanted to say that

1.- I talked to the host and the file limit is there only for a temp time until we set up the spot in the host site for the files.

the host site is www.bluewolf72.com for those who what to know

2.- i read the rules but don´t know what rule i´m breaking plz point me to correct the mistake plz

and also what do you mean by overselling?

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using a vB protal as is website with plenty of unprofessional affiliates shouldn't be trusted :s

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Originally posted by proweb
I own 1 site (forum only) currently using 100MB (approx) of space with NO downloads on the server that uses around 9GB of bandwidth and that is text only... no images at all. This is again just 1 example.

one example which proves my point. that forum isn't going to take up 10GB of space. With 10GB of bandwidth, it's nearly completely assured that that full 10GB of space will not be used in full. You're missing the point and making statements that keep on proving what i'm trying to say.

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Originally posted by proweb

if you think about it, it DOES NOT increase profit... you offer more for less and HOPE the users dont use it... if all users used the full quota then the compnay would probably go out of business.

Oh really? Making a several hundred % margin off of people who definitely will not use all of the bandwidth and padding it just in case those people who do use it to the full don't attack your profit doesn't increase profit? nuh-uh. it's a fact that people will not use the full quota, and they probably would go out of business if reality were different and people used that much. But people don't.

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Originally posted by proweb

that was used as an example, this thread is a perfect example also. Look at the advertisement and read the comments.

in my opinion its like buying a quad xeon 3.0GHz server and not being allowed to run programs which use a "large" amount of resources. My point is if you pay for that quad xeon 3.0Ghz server you should be able to use it however you want! if you want to go use software that eats up your processor resources then go for it!

the users are free to use it however they want, but statistically, they won't, so it's no concern to the hoster as the outliers are few and far between.

if you want to continue arguing stop proving my points